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Programs In Behrens Study Charged with Abuse
Troll Control:
--- Quote from: "Dysfunction Junction" ---OK, so what we have so far is that the Behrens study concluded that abusing children is effective in biasing them to self-report improvement in order to be allowed to leave the program.
Programs Included in Behrens' Work:
ASR - cited for child abuse by the state of MA
MBA - forcibly closed for "systematic child abuse and neglect" by the state of OR
Youth Care - killed a boy through neglect and was cited by state authorities
Anyone have further info on the other programs behrens concluded were "effective"?
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Let's stick to the topic, folks. We're talking abusive Aspen facilities and their inclusion in the Behrens work.
Whooter:
--- Quote from: "Dysfunction Junction" ---Whoops. I guess you don't understand APA policy on presenters. Let me help you:
--- Quote from: "APA Policy on Presenters" ---APA does not necessarily endorse or validate these speakers or the content of their talks. The speakers do not necessarily represent the views of APA.
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Whooter seems to think that if someone speaks in front of a group the group endorses the speaker and their words become the policy position of the group. Whooter is pretty dumb. And too lazy to check his facts.
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Like I said it is fun to watch you try to discredit it. You failed to provide a link because it only applies to Secondary School Teachers (TOPSS) lol
whoops....
Link
See you have now reduced your self to deception and lying. You didnt have to lie because we both know that presenting at the APA convention doesn't mean they all agree with what is being presented. It just adds another level of validity to the study. Gets it out to the professional community.
Residential Treatment Outcome-Study
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Troll Control:
So, because you saw the disclaimer in one place, it must be nowhere else. Great logic there. "Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence" the saying goes. I thought you knew how to use a search engine? :rofl:
Whooter also neglects to mention that speakers at the APA convention pay the APA to be allowed to present. They aren't chosen by the APA to present. Funny how he forgot to mention that.
Whooter:
--- Quote from: "Dysfunction Junction" ---So, because you saw the disclaimer in one place, it must be nowhere else. Great logic there. "Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence" the saying goes. I thought you knew how to use a search engine? :rofl:
Whooter also neglects to mention that speakers at the APA convention pay the APA to be allowed to present. They aren't chosen by the APA to present. Funny how he forgot to mention that.
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Well throw the link up then of where it says that. (It was your quote) wow!! 3 lies in a row, DJ.... tsk tsk. Caught red handed!!
Hmmm..
How about this link:
Residential Treatment Outcome-Study
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DannyB II:
--- Quote from: "Dysfunction Junction" ---Thanks, Paul. I appreciate your looking out for me. Sadly, Whooter believes in the "window of loss" philosophy that most program supporters believe. That is, if some kids die from what the programs do to them...so be it. We're bound to lose a few along the way. Unfortunately, these deaths are 100% avoidable, but the program staff is usually uneducated, untrained and has no business working with kids and they ignore the kids' symptoms and just say they are "manipulating." When the kid dies, they try to blame the kid. It's sad.
Aspen programs have on eof the worst track records in this regard. Over just the past few months several kids have died in their programs from completely preventable maladies. Aspen programs are extremely dangerous and sometimes deadly.
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DJ, stop acting like you are disconnected from this, you were part of this system that as you say, "committed these crimes". Yet we never hear about you in this anywhere. Ya know when Joel and Che speak they usually share their experiences as staff, not you.
DJ, you were staff and you were educated, so stop overcompensating here with this I'm all for Bla Bla Bla. It comes across phony.
Your buddy Paul thinks he has a hot case here, well, I will found out once and for all who is Danny and Whooter. I'll expose them if it is the last thing I do. Problem is, what is there to expose.
My purpose here is, to have balanced conversation.
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