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DannyB II:
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--- Quote ---Danny B wrote;
So no, I did not go to the Seed, have read about it,
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Really where? All I can find are a couple of newspaper clips from back in the day.
http://ficanetwork.net/seed/art-barker- ... reactions/
http://www.thestraights.com/people/medi ... search.htm
Nothing in either article is flattering to say the least.
There were rumors of a seed book , but I don't think it ever happened.
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Govt.....
Troll Control:
--- Quote from: "justonemore" ---Addendum to foregoing; Whooter says those who want to "hurt" the program or industry. WoW! that's a near complete 'hive' identification.
A transfer of identity to the group. Spooky as hell, you ask me.
J.O.M.
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I agree, very disquieting. This mentality describes children as "products" with "no rights" and anthropomorphizes corporations and facilities by ascribing feelings to them. It's a twisted paradigm to say the least.
justonemore:
Just spoke with the law office of deb. goodall, Suggest folks call that office (don't be rude, that gains you nothing), further suggest folks call Miami herald to inquire of morgue re records, unfiled stories, etc. Be relentlessly friendly, and then ask to be referred to investigative reporters, sooner or later, one will be hungry and bored..
On another note.. danny, whooter. crazy-talk, stupid -talk is a form of battery, too, so.....
Chinks in my armour is british? What the hell does that mean? Is british another language, suddenly?( if you talk to people from wales or cornwall or belfast or south alabama, it probably really is) it's just one of the many wacky, wacky, wonderful things you say. i wouldn't call myself 'educated', but you may. as for myself, i'm not sure what 'educated' really means. I know stuff, and can do lots of useful stuff, people like my work, and pay me good money for it, but as to educated? well, just don't know.
I know men who know interesting stuff, and other men who know useful stuff, and I'm inclined more to the useful. It's clear you resent those you consider 'educated'.
think two things.. Everyone Knows Something You Don't. Education is like Conversion, It Takes a Lifetime to Accomplish, And Then, You're Only Half-way There. J.O.M.
DannyB II:
--- Quote from: "justonemore" ---Just spoke with the law office of deb. goodall, Suggest folks call that office (don't be rude, that gains you nothing), further suggest folks call Miami herald to inquire of morgue re records, unfiled stories, etc. Be relentlessly friendly, and then ask to be referred to investigative reporters, sooner or later, one will be hungry and bored..
On another note.. danny, whooter. crazy-talk, stupid -talk is a form of battery, too, so.....
Chinks in my armour is british? What the hell does that mean? Is british another language, suddenly?( if you talk to people from wales or cornwall or belfast or south alabama, it probably really is) it's just one of the many wacky, wacky, wonderful things you say. i wouldn't call myself 'educated', but you may. as for myself, i'm not sure what 'educated' really means. I know stuff, and can do lots of useful stuff, people like my work, and pay me good money for it, but as to educated? well, just don't know.
I know men who know interesting stuff, and other men who know useful stuff, and I'm inclined more to the useful. It's clear you resent those you consider 'educated'.
think two things.. Everyone Knows Something You Don't. Education is like Conversion, It Takes a Lifetime to Accomplish, And Then, You're Only Half-way There. J.O.M.
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Thanks for seeing things my way, I accept your apology.
Ursus:
--- Quote from: "justonemore" ---Some years ago, i spoke with a clergyman on Fl's west coast. He told me a story. As follows. he said that he's been appointed to a commission by Gov. Reuben Askew to "bust the seed" He said that the commission kept asking the seed to 'open the books'. Thereafter,a group of seventeen young people came forward to state that this clergyman had smoked dope with them, made advances, etc. The same story with minor variation was reported to me by two different teachers of mine, who apparently had had the temerity to protest my incarceration. I recall stories of Ellen Morphonius, recall bomb- threat, recall much more than that. Any one who has information, corroborative or even aneccdotal, please come forward now. J.O.M.
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From what I gather, there was a real push to beef up so-called stats, e.g., Barker claimed at one point that at least 70% of all adolescents had tried drugs (early 1970s! lol), and that a lot of these kids had gotten the drugs from "trusted adults," e.g., their teachers, clergy, etc. And of course, the dangerous Mary-J was all hopped up to be the penultimate gateway to the hardcore material.
I'm not sure if it was an attempt to aggrandize himself and his own operation, or to create fear in the hearts of parents (the better to manipulate them into placing their kid). But... as time went on, the extreme asseverations became less and less believable. At some point, Barker even made the wild claim that a very large number of teachers (~200?) had been fired due to "testimony" provided by "his kids," and he ... had spoke too soon. Some admin from some school or the Board of Ed eventually went on record that Barker's claim was highly overstated, and that particular sand castle began to crumble. I think it even made the papers that some folk got fingered unfairly or that the alleged testimonies did not hold up under questioning...
Makes ya kinda wonder if these teachers got fingered as "punishment" for not going along with kids' incarcerations whom they knew to be innocent or, at the least, not in any need for this degree of "rehab." Certainly it could have worked as a preemptive, making teachers afraid to speak out knowing what might befall them.
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