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Johnny G:
You are certainly entitled to sing jingle bells as often as you like, and do all the moral inventories you want;

you can live in whatever reality you choose

I don't believe you talked to anyone from Cleveland - and definitely not anyone who was there when Cleveland closed and moved to SR-84 (1978);

I, on the other hand, have talked to people who were at tropical park, St. pete, Blimp hangar, Andrews Ave (they were there when I was there - 5 years wasn't unusual - several were around for 10+ when I left) and from those conversations it is evident that, Yes, the program did change over time, but -as you have stated- you weren't there very long so you wouldn't have experienced that.

none-ya:

--- Quote ---Johnny G wroteReport this postReply with quoteCleveland Seed Revisited
by Johnny G » 25 Jan 2006, 22:52

I have real vague memories of the Cleveland Seed, guess I was still trying to figure the whole thing out when we up and left for SR84.

THe strongest memories I have are the people there (I have some faces and names, only a few that match up).

I had voluntarily put myself in, I had some legal trouble so it was there or a mental hospital lest I go to prison (I told myself this before I heard of the Seed, so when it was put out there as an option, I took it - obviously I didn't need to be sold on the deadorinjail line)

I wonder what happend to the guys left behind (I was told not to talk to them after we moved). The guys who I thought could get me on the right track Paul T (and his sister Jackie...) john G (from Canada), Bobby B, Jeff P, Phil and Scott P.
o kids that were in the
I really feel bad for Eric (the boxer) and his whole family - they bought into it enough to move to Ft. Lauderdale, take home newcomers, and then get abandoned - thrown out - one day. I know it happened, but never knew anything about why.

I guess the lucky ones were the underage kids who were summarily graduated just because the program was splitting town, they didn't get sucked in the way many of us 80's folks did.

enough rambling for now - let's get together for your beverage of choice and talk all night - then I will get a lot of this stuff talked out.

Told my mom that I had found this forum, she said she doesn't hate Art any more. [/quote

No kids that were in the seed at all were "lucky"
Remember,your memories are still vague.
You shouldh've listened to your mom.
Sounds like she had some sense.
Too bad it didn't rub off.
You know it's still not too late for you.
There is always the church of scientology.
I hear they're always in need of mindless drones.
Your resume' looks promising
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Johnny G:
it's cool that you can use the search function!

so you didn't need ursus to tell you about jingle bells -

I was in cleveland for a month or so before it closed, so yes, pretty vague

none-ya:
But I wanted to hear it from you. Ursus never claimed to be from the seed.But he seems to know more about it than you . Barker's houseboy huh? How many people did you have to rat out to get that gig?

Johnny G:
I am not into call and response, automatically parroting back the right answer to retorical questions ("why do we sing jingle bells?")
Lack of appropriate enthusiasim might impact ones progress thru the program;

You are right, everyone who has been there knows it;

WHy don't you sing a few bars of the seed song (to the tune of greenslleeves) for us? - use the search function, it is out there somewhere buried under all of the crap posted over the last year or so;

You could tell us "the rules" or the "7 steps" -   any Jr. Staff member ought to know that (how many people did you rat out to get that?)

I'll bet there are dozens of silly ass challenges one could lay down as a shibboleth

Sort of ridiculous given the current context

I ratted out no-one

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