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none-ya:
I remember the seed as hot and dirty

I remember being hungry all the time

I remember being denied bathroom privileges

I remember those hard assed  chairs for 12 hours a day

I remember doing the hokey pokey while people across the street laughed and yelled things

I remember big black Arthur, standing up a 10 year old, yelling "youze a fuckhead"

I remember the "open" meetings

I remember the moral inventories (I never did one from the time I came home)

I remember my friends calling me a narc (yeah right)

I remember the door goons

I remember the bathroom monitors (shit or piss?)

I remember telling myself that I would get away from there as soon as I could

and anyone who's even been 1 meeting would know


WHY DO WE SING FUCKING JINGLE BELLS???!!!

Johnny G:
We sang it under duress, as an act of conformity, part of a ritual
reasons were stated, but the real reason was simply to get a aroup of people to simultaneously engage in a mindless activity on command
it was a component of conditioning

We now have free will
we sing or not of our own volition

I cannot imagine why you would sing it at all, given the experience you have documented here
you surely have your reasons, while I could speculate, I do not understand them

I choose not to sing jingle bells at all;


In addition to all of the baggage, the mention of snow rubs the whole heat vs humidity arguement in my face, perhaps it is time to look into a summer place in Canada

none-ya:

--- Quote ---Johnny G wrote

We sang it under duress, as an act of conformity, part of a ritual
reasons were stated, but the real reason was simply to get a aroup of people to simultaneously engage in a mindless activity on command
it was a component of conditioning


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First you said you knew nothing about jingle bells. Now it only "under duress"?


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I spent my time in the truckers shed, or fixing stuff around the building, at barkers house, fixing cars, his boat etc.
Didn't spend a whole lot of time in the group after year 1. was never thought of or referred to as staff;


They left you alone a Barkers house? Fixing his car. And you never cut his brake lines? Please tell me you at least shit on his toothbrush. How much duress were you under to be Barkers houseboy?


--- Quote ---Johnny G wrote

Lived in a house with 10 people, like I said, cheap!
Fairly institutional, with no newcomers, things were pretty open, got pretty good at chess, had a decent job, constant sense that it could all go away at any moment;


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It really sounds liked it there. Again where's the duress?



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At the outset I thought that the folks doing my intake had it together more than I did and they had 5 years in so I decided I could go that long.

So you had admiration for those criminals from day 1?


--- Quote ---BTW - you seem pretty high strung for such a laid back avatar,


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And your answers have all the substance of yours

These are words only seedling woud know and nobody does?
Antigen or Stack, please help this guy out.

none-ya:
back to the top you go

Johnny G:
You spent a few months inconvienienced and you know everything there was/is to know about it?

Then you don't need me to tell you anything

Jr. Staff on bathroom duty?
In the context of seed of 1978, that didn't happen - we didn't even have bathroom monitors;
Didn't have "door goons" either, most were kids
very different world

However, I recognize that things were quite different in the early 1970s, and were  certainly different when I left than when I came in

It is my understanding that it was very different in 1990

Don't put me into the context of tropical park, st pete, or the blimp hangar - I wasn't there
I was in cleveland in 1978, and left from Sr. 84 in '83 - the seed was on hold, just muddling thru government funds gone, trying to compete with mel sembler for the private market.

We were on 10 - 6 (5 days after 79 or 80)
small group - tiny (dozen or so) during the week
yes charlotte, we sang jingle bells

That is the seed I remember

Lots of people told of the "old days"
10 to 10
hundreds of people
a front row several rows deep

Never experienced that

We didn't even have open meetings after my first year or so;
It was metamorphosing into a cult;

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