Thinking of enrolling your kids at Elan?

[Anonymous]

Marc Rosenberg a director up at Elan was and still is a heavy drug abuser,This mangets high all the time and usually did so in the luggage cabin next to Elan 8.I have witnessed him on several occasions come out of that cabin high as a kite.This man is in a position to be intrusted to care for troubled teens and has no clue as to what he is doing.The reason why he is so malnurished and underweight is beacuse he has a very bad Herione problem.
A few years back he was suspened from Elan and commited by a judge to enroll in a detox center to sober up.Elan made up some Bull sh*t story that he was retiring to cover their a$$.
Potential parents need to look into the fact that Elan is run by a bunch of criminals.I have done research into what some of these current staff members have donein the past and was shocked to learn that they are intrusted to care for your troubled teens.
Marty Kruglik was caught back in the 70's molesting a 9 year old boy.
Clare Woodman was a prostitue and from what I hear still is.She also has 2 children that also went through the Elan school.That just goes to show you how bad of a parent she is.
Jeffery Gottlieb had a serious drug problem and extensive criminal back ground and wa admitted to Elan as a resident many years back.
Marc Rosenberg was and still is a heavy drug user.

Bottom line is none of these above mentioned staff members are in any way certified to help out trouble teens in redirecting them to a normal functional life.All they want is your money, they do not care about your children.
Please reconsider sending your children to Elan, it will be the most important and smartest decision you would ever make.

[Paul St. John]

Anonymous,

  Eould it be cool with you, if I posted this somewhere?

Paul St. John

[Anonymous]

Fee free to do what you want with it paul.

nazi

[Anonymous]

Why are school districts (like in NY State) funding these places under the IDEA act?  Imagine how easy it is for parents to keep a kid "under lock and key" when Uncle Sam is picking up the tab.  Poor kid.

[Anonymous]

From what I have read, the IDEA act no longer allows funding for the Elan program, due to the fact that they veiw it more as a program for locking kids away then helping them with their disabilities.

Paul

[Paul St. John]

SUPREME COURT: PRIVATE SCHOOLING FOR "CONFINEMENT" DOES NOT QUALIFY FOR DISTRICT FUNDING
WASHINGTON, February 26, 2002 -- The U.S. Supreme Court for a second and likely final time Feb. 19 declined to review an Illinois case challenging whether a school district is required to pay for private schooling that is deemed primarily to confine rather than educate a child with special needs. The mother of Dale M., a teenager in Illinois' Bradley-Bourbonnais School District, asked the district to pay for her son's placement at Elan, a private school in Maine, after he was released from juvenile detention for repeated burglary and drug offenses in the local community. Though the Illinois state hearing officer initially granted her petition, ordering the school district to pay his costs at Elan, it was overturned by a state review officer, then traveled up the chain of state and federal appellate courts to the Supreme Court.
After the U.S. Court of Appeals for the Seventh Circuit agreed the school is not required by the Individuals with Disabilities Education Act to pay for Dale's private school, the Supreme Court declined to review that decision.


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The case centers on whether the private school provided Dale educational services that could not be provided by the school district's choice, what the U.S. appeals court called a "therapeutic day school" in the local community. Dale was released from juvenile detention only because his mother agreed to put him in a residential school, which could restrict his movements and keep him away from criminal activity, according to the federal appeals court ruling. However, his mother argued the private school was also providing the education Dale is entitled to under IDEA. The state review officer disagreed, determining that Elan "does not offer psychiatric or other medical treatment" for Dale's problems -- drug and alcohol abuse and depression that fueled a "conduct disorder," the federal appeals court stated.

"As far as we can determine, it's just a boarding school for difficult children," the federal panel said. "It merely provided confinement, thus solving the problem of his truancy."

According to the federal court, "Dale's problems are not primarily educational. He has the intelligence to perform well as a student and no cognitive defect or disorder such as dyslexia that prevents him from applying his intelligence to the acquisition of an education, without special assistance." Therefore, the court reasoned, a student in a private school addressing problems that are not "primarily educational" does not qualify for school district funding.

Though two of the three federal appellate judges voted to uphold the lower court ruling in favor of Bradley-Bourbonnais School District, judge Kenneth F. Ripple disagreed, arguing the court failed to consider Congress' original intent in passing IDEA. "The majority fails itself to give adequate deference ? to the manifest will of the Congress that the District must provide support services that are necessary for the meaningful delivery of educational services," Ripple wrote in his dissent. "By holding that, as a matter of law, the residential program at Elan does not come within the ambit of the Act, the majority not only dooms Dale M.'s case but also sets this circuit on a course different from that of all the courts that have interpreted this provision."

Those courts, Ripple argues, recognized "that the nature of support services necessarily will be varied and, in the case of some children, broad." Thus, he says, the courts have ruled that Congress intended the law to cover "the provision of a support service that is a necessary predicate for learning, and not segregable from the learning process." In Dale M.'s case, the judge contends, the courts have wrongfully viewed him as "a delinquent deserving of punishment, not education."

According to Ripple, the value of Elan's services to troubled kids has been underestimated by the lower courts and his fellow federal appellate judges, Richard A. Posner and John L. Coffey. He notes that the court record shows Elan's program incorporates life skills, counseling and class work in its educational approach. "Reasonable people can disagree about the effectiveness of providing a structured environment that demands contributing labor to a communal living environment," Ripple added. "However, none of us who wear black robes are in an institutional position to second guess the Illinois Department of Education that approved the program as a permissible placement for Illinois school children." 8
 

[Paul St. John]

It turns out that I was wrong.

Whether or not it is coverred by the IDEA act, I just found out that a NY state student was sent to Elan, after being kicked out of other similar places, and that the school district is in fact paying for his stay up there. The issue was put before the NY state Ed Dept. , and was approved.

Paul St. John

[Anonymous]

Was Dale M. in house 8? Because I think I know him

[coz]

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[IH8 Elan]

On 2003-09-23 19:36:00, Anonymous wrote:

"Marc Rosenberg a director up at Elan was and still is a heavy drug abuser,This mangets high all the time and usually did so in the luggage cabin next to Elan 8.I have witnessed him on several occasions come out of that cabin high as a kite.This man is in a position to be intrusted to care for troubled teens and has no clue as to what he is doing.The reason why he is so malnurished and underweight is beacuse he has a very bad Herione problem.

A few years back he was suspened from Elan and commited by a judge to enroll in a detox center to sober up.Elan made up some Bull sh*t story that he was retiring to cover their a$$.

Potential parents need to look into the fact that Elan is run by a bunch of criminals.I have done research into what some of these current staff members have donein the past and was shocked to learn that they are intrusted to care for your troubled teens.

Marty Kruglik was caught back in the 70's molesting a 9 year old boy.

Clare Woodman was a prostitue and from what I hear still is.She also has 2 children that also went through the Elan school.That just goes to show you how bad of a parent she is.

Jeffery Gottlieb had a serious drug problem and extensive criminal back ground and wa admitted to Elan as a resident many years back.

Marc Rosenberg was and still is a heavy drug user.



Bottom line is none of these above mentioned staff members are in any way certified to help out trouble teens in redirecting them to a normal functional life.All they want is your money, they do not care about your children.

Please reconsider sending your children to Elan, it will be the most important and smartest decision you would ever make."

The above post should be made into a plaque and posted at the beginning of no 5 road that leads to elan.

[Anonymous]

This is kind of dumb.  I mean I believe what you said about Marc and Marty.  But Claire Woodman isn't a prostitute.  She works at elan most of the time and when she's not there she has 2 cool kids and a husband.  If you are going to write a serious post you should at least make it true.  I agree NO ONE SEND THERE KIDS TO ELAN!  But there is enough real reasons not to with out lying.

[Anonymous]

How would you know if Claire woodman was a prostitute?  It's not like she told anyone.

[hidingout]

You stated that you did research and found this out............

I have done research into what some of these current staff members have donein the past and was shocked to learn that they are intrusted to care for your troubled teens.
Marty Kruglik was caught back in the 70's molesting a 9 year old boy

Do you have proof somewhere about this.. and Marty  I do not want to tell my friend anything if I do not have proof for her.

[jimy2748]

I have been with clare since i was 18 im am now 38 i have to wonderful kids with her nicole just started college and jessie is doing very well since he came home. me and clare were divorced 2 years ago and have been good freinds since ill love her to the day i die because shehas a good heart and a great mother and she loves the kids. she wooks with and also jeff is also a great guy i went thru the house with him .elan was a mess when i was there no doult but i honestly think alot of staff cared so dont lie about them all your no better for lieing. isnt that what a lot of them did to you. lie cheat not care. i was in the old school house with 15 other people when the old elan 7 was out of control some might remeber joe came down and cleaned house and sent us to the school house we were out of control but had a 2 week vacation. girls and guys we had fun.it wasnt all bad . :wstupid:



[ This Message was edited by: jimy2748 on 2004-01-30 03:06 ]

[Matt C. Hoffman]

jimy

In all that is good and decent I humbly ask you to post about Phil death in the ring .It is on the thread ,the ring .

Phil deserves it and it is the least we can do for Phil.

Thank you

Matt