Treatment Abuse, Behavior Modification, Thought Reform > Aspen Education Group
Aspen marketing - concern expressed by FamilyLight
Ursus:
--- Quote from: "Whooter" ---The officials at Mt. Bachelor (or any of the Aspen programs) read about each others programs thru Aspen News letters. They don’t have any knowledge or have very limited knowledge about programs outside the Aspen Ed group. So their natural inclination would be to refer to what they know best and that would another Aspen program.
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:roflmao: Spin spin spin...
Whooter, you would know, perhaps better than most, given your friendship with Rudy Bentz, that Mount Bachelor Academy and Academy at Swift River enjoyed a closer relationship than many if not all of the other Aspen TBS programs. After all, ASR was in part founded by folks from Mount Bachelor!
Whooter:
--- Quote from: "Ursus" ---
--- Quote from: "Whooter" ---The officials at Mt. Bachelor (or any of the Aspen programs) read about each others programs thru Aspen News letters. They don’t have any knowledge or have very limited knowledge about programs outside the Aspen Ed group. So their natural inclination would be to refer to what they know best and that would another Aspen program.
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:roflmao: Spin spin spin...
Whooter, you would know, perhaps better than most, given your friendship with Rudy Bentz, that Mount Bachelor Academy and Academy at Swift River enjoyed a closer relationship than many if not all of the other Aspen TBS programs. After all, ASR was in part founded by folks from Mount Bachelor!
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Exactly, That was my point! Lol The programs under the Aspen group umbrella know more about “each other” thru mutual relations and internal news letters/marketing info etc. that if a parent asked an Aspen employee to refer them to a program which would help their son with a specific behavior issue th employee would be more apt to know about Aspen programs than any other and therefore would recommend Aspen. But if the same question were asked to an Ed Consultant they would have a broader band of knowledge and would be better able to place the child with a better fit.
If you worked for John Deere as a numbers cruncher and someone asked you your opinion on Ride mowers you would probably be pumped full of information about John Deere products just from the internal news letters alone and posters on the wall and would not have a clue about the performance ratings of “Club Cadet”, “Honda” or any of the others so you would recommend a John Deere.
But if you asked an independent who sold many different kinds of ride mowers you would get a better educated answer and probably a better fit.
So I think (my opinion) that is the downside of relying on a program employee to recommend another program placement.
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Oscar:
I saw a research about wilderness programs way back.
Theoretical Basis, Process, and Reported Outcomes of Wilderness Therapy as an Intervention and Treatment for Problem Behavior in Adolescents
On page 23 a table clearly illustrate that wilderness programs which are a part of a larger coorpation refer a lager amount of clients to boarding school than independent run programs.
In this research Anasazi send 90 percent of their clients home, while SUWS and Aspen Archievement Academy only manage to do this with 40 and 50 percent.
Some might assume that the staff in the wilderness programs owned by huge companies may be under some pressure to "feed" the foodchain consisting of boarding schools owned by the same companies. Personally I don't believe that there is any difference in quality of these programs but other factors may like who is paying the salery may be of some importance.
John Whooter Reuben:
--- Quote from: "Oscar" ---I saw a research about wilderness programs way back.
Theoretical Basis, Process, and Reported Outcomes of Wilderness Therapy as an Intervention and Treatment for Problem Behavior in Adolescents
On page 23 a table clearly illustrate that wilderness programs which are a part of a larger coorpation refer a lager amount of clients to boarding school than independent run programs.
In this research Anasazi send 90 percent of their clients home, while SUWS and Aspen Archievement Academy only manage to do this with 40 and 50 percent.
Some might assume that the staff in the wilderness programs owned by huge companies may be under some pressure to "feed" the foodchain consisting of boarding schools owned by the same companies. Personally I don't believe that there is any difference in quality of these programs but other factors may like who is paying the salery may be of some importance.
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"Oh, I see. It's a money thing with you", as Whooter spits it out in his pissy way when the ludicrous costs and (formerly) ludicrous profits of Aspen are mentioned. It does seem insane for a parent to pay someone thousands of dollars to treat their child in a way that would get the parents arrested. Far as I'm concerned, every program "restraint" should be investigated as a physical assault on a child by State Police, not the local cornfed cops who cover the asses of programs. A counselor might show more patience if the outcome of an inappropriate restraint were a brutal, well-earned ass-raping in the adult program called "prison".
There's all kinda money, here, Oscar! Look at - STICC, for example. Non profit is very profitable, just make the money disappear at the end of the year and it's legit. For me, anyway. Screw everyone else.
Whooter:
--- Quote from: "Oscar" ---I saw a research about wilderness programs way back.
Theoretical Basis, Process, and Reported Outcomes of Wilderness Therapy as an Intervention and Treatment for Problem Behavior in Adolescents
On page 23 a table clearly illustrate that wilderness programs which are a part of a larger coorpation refer a lager amount of clients to boarding school than independent run programs.
In this research Anasazi send 90 percent of their clients home, while SUWS and Aspen Archievement Academy only manage to do this with 40 and 50 percent.
Some might assume that the staff in the wilderness programs owned by huge companies may be under some pressure to "feed" the foodchain consisting of boarding schools owned by the same companies. Personally I don't believe that there is any difference in quality of these programs but other factors may like who is paying the salery may be of some importance.
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There are many kids who have applied to schools like ASR and others and found that the school recommended SUWS prior to being accepted into the program. So this would raise the percentage considerably.
So there are two groups.. those who are entering SUWS on their way to a program and those who are just utilizing the wilderness piece. Now after completion of wilderness there may be further recommendations for some kids to get more help and they may go on to a program setting also.
I also think it would be natural for employees of SUWS to recommend an Aspen program over any others especially if Aspen had a solution. Why would they send the kids to a competing program if they could help them within the Aspen Group?
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