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Aspen marketing - concern expressed by FamilyLight
John Whooter Reuben:
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We want your money. Ha, ha, ha.
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Any idea how many kids face the horror of being rejected by one of your fine Aspen institutions like ASR? I mean, you make it sound like it's a lofty achievement to be plopped in the middle of a bunch of parental disappointments and budding Whooters in a penal colony. Does any poor child not make the cut for Aspen? How many teens are saddened when are told they don't have what it takes to be an Aspen prisoner?
Pay the money, Aspen will find a reason to keep your kids locked up indefinitely as long as you can afford it. Careful, there are no guarantees. Fornits is rife with accounts of Aspen alumni succumbing to drug addiction and death following "treatment" in an Aspen program.
Whooter:
--- Quote from: "John Whooter Reuben" ---Any idea how many kids face the horror of being rejected by one of your fine Aspen institutions like ASR? I mean, you make it sound like it's a lofty achievement to be plopped in the middle of a bunch of parental disappointments and budding Whooters in a penal colony. Does any poor child not make the cut for Aspen? How many teens are saddened when are told they don't have what it takes to be an Aspen prisoner?
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I wouldn’t exactly call it a horror at being rejected. But a couple kids were very disappointed that they didn’t get into ASR from SUWS and one ended up going home and the other went to a place in Maine (if I remember correctly). The kids themselves don’t refer to the place as a penal colony or prison, that’s just a fornits tag. My high school had fences around it and was tougher to escape than ASR is. I think you have bought into all the hype here on fornits that they lock these kids away. The kids can leave anytime they want.
The kids in my daughters peer group are planning an ASR reunion. They started a facebook or website where they can meet. Penal colonies rarely do this lol.
--- Quote ---Pay the money, Aspen will find a reason to keep your kids locked up indefinitely as long as you can afford it. Careful, there are no guarantees. Fornits is rife with accounts of Aspen alumni succumbing to drug addiction and death following "treatment" in an Aspen program.
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I do, somewhat agree with you here. Many people use to say that about Boston University. If your daddy was rich then it didn’t matter what your SAT scores were. I guess to a certain extent that is true. If a parent says they will donate a ton of money to build a library or such then I am sure they will let their daughter attend and turn a blind eye to the entrance requirements as long as the kid wasn't violent. But short of that the child needs to meet certain criteria to be accepted there.
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M_Hilton:
--- Quote from: "Oscar" ---Familylight writes about problems with a former Mount Bachelor detainee. Rather interesting.
Aspen Marketing -- Referral from One Aspen Program to Another
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yea i can say thats mostlikely true wile i think SUWS did some good things for me the fact that they convinced my family to send me to another program after completing SUWS is shady imo
and the fact that the 2nd one was run by the former owners of SUWS you may have heard of them aldridge academy so yea par for course
Troll Control:
--- Quote from: "Oscar" ---I saw a research about wilderness programs way back.
Theoretical Basis, Process, and Reported Outcomes of Wilderness Therapy as an Intervention and Treatment for Problem Behavior in Adolescents
On page 23 a table clearly illustrate that wilderness programs which are a part of a larger coorpation refer a lager amount of clients to boarding school than independent run programs.
In this research Anasazi send 90 percent of their clients home, while SUWS and Aspen Archievement Academy only manage to do this with 40 and 50 percent.
Some might assume that the staff in the wilderness programs owned by huge companies may be under some pressure to "feed" the foodchain consisting of boarding schools owned by the same companies. Personally I don't believe that there is any difference in quality of these programs but other factors may like who is paying the salery may be of some importance.
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This is a very interesting point. Aspen seems to "feed kids into the machine" about 90% of the time while their competitors seem to have better outcomes (self-reported) and send kids home. If Aspen wilderness programs were actually successful at treating these kids, why is it that almost none of them ever seem to get discharged? This has the look and feel of a racket.
--- Quote from: "From the Article" ---...people who speak as if Aspen programs are consistently better than all others are at best misinformed and are probably not reliable sources of referral. **{sounds like a certain marketing person we all know here on Fornits that goes by the handles "TheWho," "Whooter" and "Mitt Romney" among others}** We note that the State of Oregon has taken licensing actions that have led to the shutdown of two Aspen programs operating in that state: Sagewalk Wilderness in Oregon closed following the death of a participant. Then Mt. Bachelor Academy closed following license suspension.
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*Emphasis and editorializing added...
For a company that is continouously "evolving" and "changing for the better" (lols) they sure seem to keep killing kids and getting forcibly shut down for the same abuses occurring over decades.
Pile of Dead Kids:
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