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Cayo Hueso:
My friends made normal lives for themselves through the natural, normal process of growing up that they were allowed to do but which we were not. I fully believe that if I had NOT been put in there that I would have done the same thing. Go through a period of breaking away from parents, rebelling against authority etc. and then grow up, just like my friends did. That also happens to be the way my daughter did it. Help is one thing, forced adolescent treatment and imprisonment is quite another. As I said before, great if you got something out of it, but don't tell the rest of us to face reality......we've been through enough without some self-righteous jerk comparing the military, which is VOLUNTARY, to the Seed or Straight. VERY different animals.
GregFL:
Me too Marla. That is, afterall, what this site is all about.
Never let your sense of
morals get in the way of
doing what's right
--Isaac Asimov
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GregFL:
Cayohesto, trucker is entitled to his opinion. He may have spent the past 30 years believing that he faced certain death without the Seed. Loggging on this website and realizing that many people who shared his experience have thought it thru very differently may be hard for him to swallow.
Everyone is entitled to their own opinion and to share their experience here.
Trucker, Once again, thank you for logging on and sharing your experience. Got any stories from SR84 or the hanger to share?
Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former.
--Albert Einstein
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Cayo Hueso:
Hey Greg,
You're right. I completely agree that he is entitled to his opinion...so am I. That's all I was doing. I don't think I was (I hope I wasn't) overly harsh. I just took issue with being told that I needed to face reality. I've been facing reality for over 20 years now. I'm NOT trying to pick a fight. I respect his right to his opinion, don't agree with it, but respect his right to express it and I"m just asking for the same. I"ve tried very hard since I've been back on these boards to choose my postings carefully. I backed away for over a year because of all the anger that seemed to flow and I don't want to be a part of perpetuating that anger. If I truly offended "Anon" (and it does strike me as odd that these people who are so pro-program seem to always post anonymously) then I apologize...that was not my intent. As I stated before, it was the "facing reality" comment that got to me. I was just speaking with another survivor and she had a great point to make. There are, what, a couple of hundred people that look at these boards, a lot of whom post, but some who don't, and we're not going to agree on everything. I have no interst in getting into arguments with people over any of that. I have only posted a very few times since I've been back because of this. But....when I see someone that is, in MY opinion, telling us that what happened to us was brought on by ourselves or that we really needed it or whatever reason he comes up with as to why we needed to be there and is DEFENDING the abuse that happened, I take issue.
ANON - Once again, if you truly feel that your life was saved by the Seed, great for you......but PLEASE, don't belittle MY experience by telling me to face reality. I truly do wish you well in your life....I wish that for ALL survivors. I was telling this person that I was speaking with that all of this is kind of like "emotional vomiting" . It happened to me when I first found these sites a year and a half ago. All this anger, frustration, confusion has been pent up all these years and when I finally found someone or someplace that seemed to understand, everything came out at once. The rage, fear...all of it, sometimes in a constructive way, other times not so constructive.
Enough rambling...I hope ALL of us can find some peace finally. I think we've ALL earned it. :grin:
GregFL:
Thanks, great post. On the SDF, I have tried with some degree of success to avoid the harsh words that seem to come on some of the other forums and to invite any and all into the arena.
We ex "seedlings" are typically a little older and less emotional about our experience than the straight survivors (and certainly the Elan group!).
I want to foster an environment where people on all sides of the issue feel comfortable in posting their experiences. In order to do so, I respectfully request that people avoid name calling and instead stick to addressing the issue,as hard as that can be some times.
Cayohuesto, welcome to our forum and please contribute here often. I assume you were in Straight. Ever know any seedlings? If so, What was your opinion of them and of the Seed prior to your going to the straight? Did they seem a bit weird, cultish? what about the hair, the dress, the lingo?
The seed was really a big cult for a short while in St Petersburg...it came with a bang and left with a whimper, unfortunately leaving the straight as its legacy.
Janis, Jimi, Jerry, Timothy... Do you HAVE to get this close to the edge to get a really good view?
-- Anonymous
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