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Cayo Hueso:
The three main friends that I grew up with and that were cosidered "druggie friends" are ALL doing very well and NEVER went in Straight or the Seed or any program. They were all doing more than what I was at the time and they're all successful now...gee, wonder how that happened :roll: . I really want someone that is pro-Straight/Seed to explain that to me. These people that were doing the SAME things and WORSE than me, never went to any kind of treatment and are completely successful people with businesses and families and very full lives. I'm also a parent of two teenaged girls 18 & 16. I've been through the drug thing from the kid side AND the parent side. I tried something novel....I TALKED to my kids. Not just when she got into drugs but through her whole life. We had our ups and downs during her "troubled" period, but we got through it and she's starting nursing school now with a full scholarship. WOW, how the hell did we manage without "The Program" :roll: ?!?!?!?!?! Don't mistake that as me blaming my parents for whatever trouble I got into, I'm not. My point(s) are that 1) The relationship that parents build with their kids THROUGHOUT THEIR ENTIRE LIVES is what is going to keep them OK and making good decisions and 2) IT IS NEVER ACCEPTABLE TO ABUSE ANYONE IN THE NAME OF "HELP". I've been through some pretty rough shit in my life but what has honestly had the most/worst impact on my life was Straight. It was the single worst experience of my life. I don't sit around whining about it all the time, but it sure is with me all the time. My father refuses to speak to me because I don't continue to follow the straight doctrine and I'm his ONLY CHILD. How the hell does that help HEAL a family. The problems my family had had very little to do with my drug use...that was just a convenient scapegoat so they didn't have to look at how screwed up they were.
If you really feel that place saved your life, more power to you, but DON'T tell any of us that we need to "face reality". That's YOU bud...wake up and smell it!!
TRUCKER:
Ask your three main friends how they did it.You know how I did it.Correct, talking and being a family that is open is key to any relationship.I was never abused at the Seed,I was the abuser to me and others at that time of my life.I went through abuse in military boot camp.I live my life for me first and try to understand and respect others opinions(good and bad points) as these are helpful building blocks in making a stronger inner being,for me.I cant comment on Straight because I was not part of the that family.However, I (face) reality every day just like you and thank God the Seed helped give me the oppertunity back !
Trucker
Antigen:
Just out of curiosity, what was the charge for which the judge was ready to send you to Raifford for 20 yrs?
The world is so exquisite, with so much love and moral depth, that there is no reason to deceive ourselves with pretty stories for which there's no good evidence. Far better, it seems to me, to look death in the eye and to be grateful every day for the brief but magnificent opportunity that life provides.
--Carl Sagan
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GregFL:
I also was "saved" by a judge. My father had me thrown in the seed with no charge. My mother got a lawyer and had a court order to have us removed. A St Pete judge LIED and said I stood up in open court and admitted to a drug problem and overturned the first judge.
The problem? I was never in court. These judges were all in bed with the Seed. I believe that the judge probably looked at trucker, after being charged with whatever juvy offense he was charged with, and said if he didn't complete the seed she would send him to jail.I do not know Trucker's charge but am reasonably sure that in High school he was not facing 20 years. This story is more likely the result of him saying the same story over and over for 30 years and he has come to believe it himself. You know, the whole hysteria, that he was "saved" as a youth from certain death, insanity or jail by the seed.
Trucker, stop and take a deep breath and try to remember back before your childhood was relegated to that crazy cult. Were you really worthless, powerless? Were you an addict? It is okay now, 30 years later, to challenge those old "pat answers" that have been in your head all these years.
If the seed did "save" you, then what did it do to my friends that committed suicide after they graduated? Is your post seed life really the result of spending your youth there?
And if it was so great, do all your friends, relatives, and children know about it, or is it your dirty little secret?
Just asking....
Don't let your dogma run out in front of your karma.
--Anonymous
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Marla:
I too was court ordered to complete the Seed program back in 1972-3...or else go to jail. I don't trust judges, etc. either. I survived & graduated the program....got my termination of probation papers in my hand & skipped down the hall & said something to the effect of "See Ya Later..." but not that nicely. I hope Trucker can sort all of this out & find some peace.
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