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How many deaths have occured at Aspen Ed programs so far?
Whooter:
--- Quote from: "Ursus" ---Why is it even necessary to differentiate between a behavioral issues and real symptoms? Isn't it supposed to be "Safety First?" I guess not!
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I agree it should be. The problem may occur when several kids say they are tired or want to rest and the staff give in and the rest of the kids see how easy it is to manipulate the staff into stopping that they ask for a break every 5 minutes and essentially sabotage the entire hike.
Or maybe calling in a medic helicopter 4 times a day just as a joke may put the pressure on trying to better differentiate between behavior and real symptoms. I am sure it is not an easy call in every case.
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Inculcated:
--- Quote from: "Whooter" ---There have been a total of 6 since 2000. See Oscars data below:
--- Quote from: "Oscar" ---From our victim list pages:
1980's: 1 (SUWS - However before Aspen ownership)
2000-2004: 2 (Island View and Lonestar Expeditions)
2005-2009: 4 (SUWS, Aspen Achievement Academy, Youth care and Sagewalk)
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Who’, Thank you for quoting that for me. So, the number of children who have died in Aspen programs is six. Aspen Education Group could hardly be considered by anyone as one of the “safer programs” I suppose.
--- Quote from: "Ursus" ---There is a mindset at work in programs that is incredibly derisive of kids....... What kind of "professionals," with children's best interests ostensibly at the fore, are so jaded and filled with cynicism that they refer to a kid as "Mr. Manipulation" on their website, their marketing facade presented to the world at large?
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That’s an excellent question.
Who,
Do you think the mentality of a program that insists on imposing a presumption of manipulation on the part of its charges into the parent or guardian’s minds that serves to pre-emptively discredit what the child has to report about the program also reinforces a negative perspective by which staffers come to view their charges?
So for instance, when a staffer dismisses the physical signs of distress or self reported symptoms of distress as being malingering, do you believe that Aspen programs have some fault for fostering/perpetuating a dangerous invidious bias that impedes communication and safety?
Whooter:
--- Quote from: "Inculcated" ---Who’, Thank you for quoting that for me. So, the number of children who have died in Aspen programs is six. Aspen Education Group could hardly be considered by anyone as one of the “safer programs” I suppose.
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Safer to me means better than some of the others or better than average. We would need to know if other programs average a little under one death per year.
--- Quote ---That’s an excellent question.
Who,
Do you think the mentality of program that insists on imposing a presumption of manipulation on the part of its charges into the parent or guardian’s minds that serves to pre-emptively discredit what the child has to report about the program also reinforces a negative perspective by which staffers come to view their charges?
So for instance, when a staffer dismisses the physical signs of distress or self reported symptoms of distress as being malingering, do you believe that Aspen programs have some fault for fostering/perpetuating a dangerous invidious bias that impedes communication and safety?
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Unfortunately it does tag an unsuspecting child entering the program and prejudge them. I t does show that these places do have a problem with manipulation if they have gone as far as assuming most or all kids are manipulative. But seasoned staff will not be swayed by what others say and will treat the kids according to their own experience.
I do know from experience that many kids are manipulative and that is how they get their way and get stuff. They don’t have any leverage of their own or rights or job or money so they are dependent on us parents so they learn how to manipulate their environment to get what they want and need.
I would advise caution in assuming that all programs take the same approach or attitude that the one posting “Mr. Manipulation” does.
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Ursus:
--- Quote from: "Whooter" ---I would advise caution in assuming that all programs take the same approach or attitude that the one posting "Mr. Manipulation" does.
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Yep. That would be one of Aspen's programs, that is, Island View RTC in Syracuse, Utah, previously known as Island View Academy, same location.
I take it this would be one of those programs you describe as "safer ... means better than some of the others or better than average," eh, Whooter?
Their name change may or may not have had anything to do with the suicide that occurred there in 2004.
Whooter:
--- Quote from: "Ursus" ---Yep. That would be one of Aspen's programs, that is, Island View RTC in Syracuse, Utah, previously known as Island View Academy, same location.
I take it this would be one of those programs you describe as "safer ... means better than some of the others or better than average," eh, Whooter?
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Well it may be safer, but I was referring to Aspen as a whole not any one of the schools within the group. I do see the word “Safer” as defined “More safe” or "more secure from harm". If there were 100 programs I feel the description safer would mean better than 50 or more of them, if that helps.
--- Quote ---Their name change may or may not have had anything to do with the suicide that occurred there in 2004.
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I agree, its hard to tell why they changed their name. If the suicide caused them bad press or their activity dropped off because of it then it may have been due to the suicide. But I don’t think so because they maintained the words “Island View”. If Ford had changed the name of the Edsel to Edsel II I don’t think it would have been a good business decision. They just eliminated the name all together. Do you see what I mean?
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