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How many deaths have occured at Aspen Ed programs so far?
Joel:
Edited: Wednesday, October 06, 2010
Oscar:
--- Quote from: "Whooter" ---Thanks Oscar, So it looks like less than a child per year is lost. Although, I feel one child is too many, we need to take a look at how this compares to other industries to see if the risk for children is high in this industry. I think the numbers would show that programs are a safe alternative for children at risk.
Based on these numbers it is also easy to see that the effort should be placed on improvement of the industry and their procedures to continue to reduce the number to Zero and not on closing facilities unless they show a disregard for children safety.
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You are somehow right. Children dies even when they are working or going to school.
However we have to look if a death can be prevented. When a school laboratory explode as it has happened or if a worker has an arm or head chopped off then the police is quickly replaced with people from our The Danish Working Environment Authority. Their only purpose in life are to investigate how the accident took place and to decide whether they have investigated such a death before and if it could have been prevented. They visit firms and schools unannounced to see if their guidelines are followed and huge fines are given to firms or schools, which fail to follow their guidelines.
In Denmark we have a goal which is zero deaths in relation with either work or school. Since we started to chart every death accidents in schools and workplaces have been reduced to 25% of the original number.
I believe that your country should have such a federal agency also. Why should a kid die in the field when his death is an exact copy of previous deaths? Should the medical staff not be able to stop sending a kid out in the desert without looking at if possible loss of income could put their job at risk?
It took most states about 20 years and a lot of death kids to learn what kind of restraints that kills. Some states have not learned the lesson yet and it is just a matter of time before we learn what kind of name which should be written on the gravestone.
I urge that some learn from each death. Once this death at Sagewalk is finished in the court system then who will take all the knowledge the sheriff office has learned and make it into a kind of law so the next death based on the same circumstances can be prevented in Oregon or all the other States? I don't understand why such agency has not been created already, if not by the state but then by the insurance companies. They end up paying big time everytime some school, program or firm cause a death by simple neglect.
Personally I believe that most deaths in Aspen's program could have been prevented the last 10 years. They were not sudden deaths. There were warning signs hours before, which were ignored.
wdtony:
Involuntary manslaughter is the unlawful killing of a human being without malice aforethought. It is distinguished from voluntary manslaughter by the absence of intention. It is normally divided into two categories; constructive manslaughter and criminally negligent manslaughter.
Criminally negligent manslaughter: It occurs where death results from serious negligence, or, in some jurisdictions, serious recklessness. A high degree of negligence is required to warrant criminal liability. A related concept is that of wilful blindness, which is where a defendant intentionally puts himself in a position where he will be unaware of facts which would render him liable.
Wilful blindness? Putting yourself in a position where he will be unaware of facts which would render him liable?..... whoever wrote that must have dealt with these programs in the past because that is probably an unwritten qualification of the TTI "program director"!
Also, having knowledge that kids die in these programs and still sending them out into the wild without properly trained staff and protocols seems to be a strong argument for "criminal negligence" by the program administration, aka whoever is in charge and getting paid.
Punishments for manslaughter vary from state to state but usually include several years of prison time. I would say this is a fair estimation "in general' of what crimes have been committed within this industry and prison time should curb the rate of deaths in programs.
Whooter:
--- Quote from: "Oscar" ---
--- Quote from: "Whooter" ---Thanks Oscar, So it looks like less than a child per year is lost. Although, I feel one child is too many, we need to take a look at how this compares to other industries to see if the risk for children is high in this industry. I think the numbers would show that programs are a safe alternative for children at risk.
Based on these numbers it is also easy to see that the effort should be placed on improvement of the industry and their procedures to continue to reduce the number to Zero and not on closing facilities unless they show a disregard for children safety.
...
--- End quote ---
You are somehow right. Children dies even when they are working or going to school.
However we have to look if a death can be prevented. When a school laboratory explode as it has happened or if a worker has an arm or head chopped off then the police is quickly replaced with people from our The Danish Working Environment Authority. Their only purpose in life are to investigate how the accident took place and to decide whether they have investigated such a death before and if it could have been prevented. They visit firms and schools unannounced to see if their guidelines are followed and huge fines are given to firms or schools, which fail to follow their guidelines.
In Denmark we have a goal which is zero deaths in relation with either work or school. Since we started to chart every death accidents in schools and workplaces have been reduced to 25% of the original number.
I believe that your country should have such a federal agency also. Why should a kid die in the field when his death is an exact copy of previous deaths? Should the medical staff not be able to stop sending a kid out in the desert without looking at if possible loss of income could put their job at risk?
It took most states about 20 years and a lot of death kids to learn what kind of restraints that kills. Some states have not learned the lesson yet and it is just a matter of time before we learn what kind of name which should be written on the gravestone.
I urge that some learn from each death. Once this death at Sagewalk is finished in the court system then who will take all the knowledge the sheriff office has learned and make it into a kind of law so the next death based on the same circumstances can be prevented in Oregon or all the other States? I don't understand why such agency has not been created already, if not by the state but then by the insurance companies. They end up paying big time everytime some school, program or firm cause a death by simple neglect.
Personally I believe that most deaths in Aspen's program could have been prevented the last 10 years. They were not sudden deaths. There were warning signs hours before, which were ignored.
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I agree with you 100%, prevention is the key. The best thing we can do is try to determine root cause and learn from it. We go thru this everytime on fornits. No one ever seems to be interested in determining cause. The Anne Bonneys and auntieEms of the world who just want to stand on the sidelines, point the finger of blame and put someone in jail does nothing to help the next child. They are merely trying to satisfy their selfish agenda and personal feelings.
If people like myself push for answers it pisses people off here and they perceive my actions as being proprogram or defending the programs point of view. Its like no one wants to know how this happened to this child. Many focus on “homicide” vs "Man Slaughter" or calling people liars vs. learning the cause of the childs death, gaining understanding and helping others. If we can determine "one" change in the procedure as a result of this boys death, which we could implement in the other existing programs that would save a life, then that would be worth fighting for and worth discussing. But each time a child dies fornits, unfortunately, takes on a mob mentality and I am not sure why they do this versus trying to help the next child.
Should field operators be trained differently? Should there be supplemental or special training off site which will help them to differentiate between behavior issues and medical issues? Should home base be called prior to 911 in every case? At what point could have this childs life been saved? What was missed? These are some of the questions we should be seeking answers to. Let the police determine which person was negligent and prosecute them if needed. We should be focused on the children.
If people can put a little bit more effort into trying to find out how this happens, listening to the investigation results all the kids would be much better off, in my opinion.
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Troll Control:
What's interesting to me is that Aspen programs are experiencing more deaths now than in previous years. This invalidates the argument that "programs are evolving, becoming more safe and becoming more clinical." That's nonsense and marketing spin.
Two Aspen Ed programs were shuttered last year in Oregon alone for "systematic child abuse and neglect."So, the abuse is systemic at Aspen Ed. This systemic abuse discovered by authorities in Oregon explains the sharp increase in the death rate at Aspen Ed. The more the kids are abused and neglected, the more will die. This is pretty obvious from the upward trend of child deaths at Aspen Ed.
Program shills would love readers to believe "programs are improving" but the data shows they are actually worsening at Aspen Ed as staff cutbacks, salary reductions and lowered standards fill the payroll with dangerous, uneducated, untrained staff. No, Aspen Ed is on the skids, not on the rise.
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