Treatment Abuse, Behavior Modification, Thought Reform > Aspen Education Group
How many deaths have occured at Aspen Ed programs so far?
Whooter:
--- Quote from: "Joel" ---Whooter we are discussing innocent children dying at Aspen programs. You attempted to move the focus on Aspen to comparisons within the TTI industry. Your response is indicative you failed to acknowledge there are serious problems at Aspen. Are you willing to admit there are serious problems at Aspen programs?
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Everytime a child dies we need to treat it as a serious problem. We had an innocent child die in a public school system in our state just last month. We are seeing them die in programs and private institutions around the country. We are seeing them die at home.
Aspen programs are not immune to this problem but are among the safest based on Oscars data.
I think the main question is where is the best place to put the resources which would have the biggest effect in reducing our children’s risk of dying? And how do we determine this and measure the outcome?
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Joel:
Edited: Wednesday, October 06, 2010
Whooter:
--- Quote from: "Joel" ---Are there serious problems at Aspen programs? It is a simple question to answer Whooter. I understand you sent your child there and are reluctant to expose negligence at Aspen programs. This old game isn't funny anymore Whooter.
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With Aspen Programs in General? No I don’t believe there is. Sagewalk is presently experiencing serious problems due to a death they had there last year. Until root cause is determined then there will be uncertainty as to whether that program should move forward or not and I would suggest stopping operations until it is understood so that the proper procedural changes can be put into place or basic safety changes are made. I think this should apply to any program, Aspen or otherwise, who experience a safety issue with the children.
I believe Aspen has one of the safest records if I am not mistaken. Do you feel Aspen programs are among the safest or deadliest? Do you base your belief on data?
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Joel:
Edited: Wednesday, October 06, 2010
Whooter:
--- Quote from: "Joel" ---2005-2009: 4 (SUWS, Aspen Achievement Academy, Youth care and Sagewalk) > Sounds like Aspen programs are safe to me Whooter. How ya' gonna spin it this time Whooter?
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There are Aspen programs which are having serious problems, but taken all together Aspen facilities are among the most safe. Thousands of kids die every year who are enrolled in the public school system which is many orders of magnitude larger than the TT industry as a whole.
So from a safety standpoint programs are much safer than the Public school system and Aspen (as a subset of the industry) is among the safest based on Oscars data.
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