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Re: Fornits attitudes on AA border on the absurd....
« Reply #60 on: March 08, 2010, 09:36:51 AM »
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Quote from: "Danny Bennison"
Read the materials no where are you going to find that statement, "AA is the only way to sobriety".


Unless each A.A. member follows to the best of his ability our suggested Twelve Steps to recovery, he almost certainly signs his own death warrant. ~~ Twelve Steps and Twelve Traditions, William Wilson, page 174.

But Anne!!!!! It says "almost certainly".......ol' Bill W., in his infinite wisdom, left them a loophole so they can sideSTEP any criticism.........
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Re: Fornits attitudes on AA border on the absurd....
« Reply #61 on: March 08, 2010, 09:43:35 AM »
Popular A.A. slogans heard in meetings every day:

    * "A.A. is the last house on the street."
    * "It's Our Way or the Die Way."
    * "Work The Steps, Or Die!"
    * If you don't Work The Program, then your fate will be "Jails, Institutions, Or Death".


From Hazelden - notorious for their generous use of AA....

"None of us in Alcoholics Anonymous is normal. Our abnormality compels us to go to AA... We all go because we need to. Because the alternative is drastic, either A.A. or death."
Delirium Tremens, Stories of Suffering and Transcendence, Ignacio Solares, Hazelden, 2000, page 27.
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Re: RE: AA never funded, endorsed or participated in a survey.
« Reply #62 on: March 08, 2010, 09:50:37 AM »
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Free come on you know darn well they have never funded, endorsed or participated in a survey.

http://www.aa.org/en_pdfs/f-13_winter08.pdf
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Joel, This site is "not" on the official AA web site. I don't know who this is.
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Re: Fornits attitudes on AA border on the absurd....
« Reply #63 on: March 08, 2010, 09:55:35 AM »
Quote from: "Anne Bonney"
Popular A.A. slogans heard in meetings every day:

    * "A.A. is the last house on the street."
    * "It's Our Way or the Die Way."
    * "Work The Steps, Or Die!"
    * If you don't Work The Program, then your fate will be "Jails, Institutions, Or Death".


From Hazelden - notorious for their generous use of AA....

"None of us in Alcoholics Anonymous is normal. Our abnormality compels us to go to AA... We all go because we need to. Because the alternative is drastic, either A.A. or death."
Delirium Tremens, Stories of Suffering and Transcendence, Ignacio Solares, Hazelden, 2000, page 27.
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Hazelton after Bill died tried a legal loophole to grab the rights to AA's trademark name. Trust me AA/GSO does not endorse Hazelton. Their treatment programs and the material they publish is all about money.
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Danny.....
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Re: Fornits attitudes on AA border on the absurd....
« Reply #64 on: March 08, 2010, 10:02:40 AM »
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Their treatment programs and the material they publish is all about money.


As are the AA publications.
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Re: Fornits attitudes on AA border on the absurd....
« Reply #65 on: March 08, 2010, 10:06:34 AM »
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Quote from: "Danny Bennison"
Their treatment programs and the material they publish is all about money.


As are the AA publications.
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Well yes they do cost money......Big Book in my home group $6.50......not bad aye. That is after purchasing the book from
the GSO.
Danny
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Re: Fornits attitudes on AA border on the absurd....
« Reply #66 on: March 08, 2010, 10:19:50 AM »
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Well yes they do cost money......Big Book in my home group $6.50......not bad aye. That is after purchasing the book from
the GSO.
Danny


Mmmm hmmm.  Don't kid yourself.  AAWS is making plenty.
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Re: Fornits attitudes on AA border on the absurd....
« Reply #67 on: March 08, 2010, 10:34:37 AM »
Quote from: "Anne Bonney"
Quote from: "Danny Bennison"
Well yes they do cost money......Big Book in my home group $6.50......not bad aye. That is after purchasing the book from
the GSO.
Danny


Mmmm hmmm.  Don't kid yourself.  AAWS is making plenty.
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Can you back that up with concrete info, I 'll will try to get their last minutes dealing with their financial status. GSO that is.
They have a world service conference every year and publish the results of this to the states and it trickels down from there.
Danny
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Re: Fornits attitudes on AA border on the absurd....
« Reply #68 on: March 08, 2010, 10:51:46 AM »
$6.50 could be the break even point.  I would think they are not making much of a profit considering the average college kid spends $1,000 on their books each semester.  Its hard to find a book for under $10 outside of a yard sale these days.

You would have to take a look at the cost of printing the book.. the ink, paper, binding process, packaging, storage, transportation and distribution costs.  After all the supplies are paid for, the employees are paid, insurance, cost of the manufacturing equipment….etc.



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Re: Fornits attitudes on AA border on the absurd....
« Reply #69 on: March 08, 2010, 10:56:32 AM »
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$6.50 could be the break even point.  I would think they are not making much of a profit considering the average college kid spends $1,000 on their books each semester.  Its hard to find a book for under $10 outside of a yard sale these days.

You would have to take a look at the cost of printing the book.. the ink, paper, binding process, packaging, storage, transportation and distribution costs.  After all the supplies are paid for, the employees are paid, insurance, cost of the manufacturing equipment….etc.



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Very easy to verify, AA meeting are everywhere just walk in to one and ask the purchase price or better yet call GSO. Prices range I just heard from
$ 6.50 to $ 8.00....still a bargain.
Danny
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Re: Fornits attitudes on AA border on the absurd....
« Reply #70 on: March 08, 2010, 10:59:41 AM »
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Re: Fornits attitudes on AA border on the absurd....
« Reply #71 on: March 08, 2010, 11:05:13 AM »
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http://donewithaa.wordpress.com/2009/03/29/the-11th-tradition/
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first sentence "courts" says it all. Not AA/GSO.
Danny
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Re: Fornits attitudes on AA border on the absurd....
« Reply #72 on: March 08, 2010, 11:07:57 AM »
Ah, so you'll just dismiss it.  Gotcha.
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Re: Fornits attitudes on AA border on the absurd....
« Reply #73 on: March 08, 2010, 11:44:24 AM »
Quote from: "RTP2003"
Quote from: "Anne Bonney"
Quote from: "Danny Bennison"
Read the materials no where are you going to find that statement, "AA is the only way to sobriety".
Unless each A.A. member follows to the best of his ability our suggested Twelve Steps to recovery, he almost certainly signs his own death warrant. ~~ Twelve Steps and Twelve Traditions, William Wilson, page 174.
But Anne!!!!! It says "almost certainly".......ol' Bill W., in his infinite wisdom, left them a loophole so they can sideSTEP any criticism.........
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Re: Fornits attitudes on AA border on the absurd....
« Reply #74 on: March 08, 2010, 11:47:41 AM »
Quote from: "Danny Bennison"
Quote from: "Anne Bonney"
Popular A.A. slogans heard in meetings every day:

    * "A.A. is the last house on the street."
    * "It's Our Way or the Die Way."
    * "Work The Steps, Or Die!"
    * If you don't Work The Program, then your fate will be "Jails, Institutions, Or Death".


From Hazelden - notorious for their generous use of AA....

"None of us in Alcoholics Anonymous is normal. Our abnormality compels us to go to AA... We all go because we need to. Because the alternative is drastic, either A.A. or death."
Delirium Tremens, Stories of Suffering and Transcendence, Ignacio Solares, Hazelden, 2000, page 27.
:shamrock:  :shamrock:
Hazelton after Bill died tried a legal loophole to grab the rights to AA's trademark name. Trust me AA/GSO does not endorse Hazelton. Their treatment programs and the material they publish is all about money.
 :shamrock:
Danny.....
But AA/GSO actually makes a bit of money itself, not to mention getting their credibility boosted ... at the expense of Hazelden and other 12-step programs. These programs purchase materials from AA, and later push successful clients AA's way for followup and support post-program.

AA's quibbles with the profit-driven nature of most programs seems a bit insincere.
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