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Fornits attitudes on AA border on the absurd....
Anonymous:
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--- Quote from: "Anne Bonney" --- Have you ever tried to criticize or even ask skeptical questions at an AA meeting or of a sponsor? I have, many times and I was promptly told not to 'ask how my steak was prepared, to just enjoy it'. I was told that to question AA or any of it's dogma was 'signing my own death warrant' (sound familiar?). It may not be a cult, per se.....but it sure does have most of the characteristics. Most of which use scare tactics and emotional blackmail as their weapons of choice.
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I meant to include this link with that part of the post. It shows, better than I ever could explain, what happens when you dare criticize the great and powerful Oz. Just start reading through the Orange Paper Letters section. All sorts of Stepcrafters laughingly (literally) wishing or predicting death for him. They cannot tolerate criticism of any kind. Apparently, even from one of their own (the Valliant study proving that not only is AA ineffective, but dangerous). Go here and pick a section out of the Letters. Any one will do.
http://www.orange-papers.org/
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Anne Bonney,
What you are talking about once again is not AA, separate personalities and principles. You keep talking about people and for all the people your talking about I can show you as many who don't act the way you are describing. AA does not coordinate a kindergarten class nor does it govern what or how folks will act. AA is the Big Book, The Twelve and Twelve, literature/pamphlets, grapevine, and the various books written by Bill and Dr. Bob. How all this is interpreted is your business.
So keep drinking your kool-aid ( orange flavor) Anne and read your newspaper (orange flavor). Oh and by the way if your criticism was on target we could have a debate but it is not. Pick one or the other (AA..or..the members).
Anne read and read again...Twelve traditions only this time believe that others believe this actually works.
Funny you never hear or read anywhere AA; GSO...criticize anyone or anything.
:shamrock:
Danny.......
Whooter:
I believe it all depends on the individual. Some people attend an AA meeting and it fills the right void for them, they are comfortable and fit right in and get the support they need. Others need something different. AA has help a lot of people recover from their addictions and keep them under control. And I feel in general people can get a lot of good advice from other people who are further down the road and have experience with recovery.
It is unfortunate that you had that experience, Ann. AA doesn’t have a written policy that states they should respond with “'don’t ask how my steak was prepared, to just enjoy it'............... 'signing my own death warrant'”. Maybe the guy running the meeting that night was going thru a divorce and/or hated woman. I believe there are many meeting locations in each city so you could try a different location and see what the people are like there, it may be a softer crowd.
I wouldn’t read too much into the “orange papers” or take it as gospel. It was written by one guy and written only using his personal view point.
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Anne Bonney:
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I wouldn’t read too much into the “orange papers” or take it as gospel. It was written by one guy and written only using his personal view point.
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That one guy has sourced beyond all reason every single claim he's made. G'head and attempt to disprove a single thing he's written.
Whooter:
--- Quote from: "Anne Bonney" ---
--- Quote from: "Whooter" ---
I wouldn’t read too much into the “orange papers” or take it as gospel. It was written by one guy and written only using his personal view point.
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That one guy has sourced beyond all reason every single claim he's made. G'head and attempt to disprove a single thing he's written.
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Just one example:
Even the most ardent true believers who will be honest about it recognize that A.A. and N.A. have at least 90% failure rates. And the real numbers are more like 95% or 98% or 100% failure rates. It depends on who is doing the counting, how they are counting, and what they are counting or measuring.
He never cites a study and then goes on for pages basing his personal hypothesis and statistics on these numbers which were pulled from the air.
Link to source
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Anonymous:
--- Quote from: "Anne Bonney" ---
--- Quote from: "Whooter" ---
I wouldn’t read too much into the “orange papers” or take it as gospel. It was written by one guy and written only using his personal view point.
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That one guy has sourced beyond all reason every single claim he's made. G'head and attempt to disprove a single thing he's written.
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Anne,
You can't be serious........
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