Author Topic: Re: DSM-V Shadow Team now taking comments  (Read 3400 times)

0 Members and 1 Guest are viewing this topic.

Offline Inculcated

  • Newbie
  • *
  • Posts: 801
  • Karma: +1/-0
    • View Profile
Re: DSM-V Shadow Team now taking comments
« on: February 26, 2010, 11:48:35 PM »
Okay, I'll play.

The disorder disorder- To be out of order with or question or defy your so ordered place in the universe disorder.

Factatious Disorder- To confront the dominating collective's constructs with truths independently derived from Facts not readily accepted by the general beliefs of those identified with said collective.

Tomatoform disorder- Those heirlooms are pretty, but difficult to cut no matter how you slice it.

Conversion disorder- A State of being psychically disconnected from the brain. Typically exhibited by psycho-diagnosticians

Adjustment Disorder- In severe cases this can be caused by the observing ego having (like Frod) grown “tired of being tormented to hell” (symptom overlap with 300.6)

Hyper religiosity- a belief that someone is making a list and checkin’ it twice while on stimulants or while in need of stimulants due to hyperactive disorder

Moodring disorders- When you bought one on a nostalgic impulse only to find it has turned your finger black and your brown eyes blue.

DisAsociative disorder- exhibited by persons with imaginary friends that typically do not play well with anyone that calls them names.

Depersonalization disorder- to be redefined as ennui or as a symptom of any tricyclic.

Dissociative Amnesia- Hey, what happens in ‘Vegas stays in ‘Vegas…right?

Borderline Personality Disorder- This patient challenges your patience and intellect…(d)efer immediately/pass that chart

Labeling disorder- A chronic ailment of pompous gas bags getting together with one another to define others as “the other” in one form or another, in reductive often pejorative clinical terms, in an effort to reassure themselves that they are beneficent and superior. This classification includes anyone narrow minded enough to assume that human behaviour could be subsumed within categories based on assessments designed and administered by people who interpret other people’s responses to inkblots.  

Intermittent Explosive Disorder- Well then quit fucking with me!
« Last Edit: February 27, 2010, 12:06:49 AM by Inculcated »
“A person needs a little madness, or else they never dare cut the rope and be free”  Nikos Kazantzakis

Offline Anonymous

  • Newbie
  • *
  • Posts: 164653
  • Karma: +3/-4
    • View Profile
Re: DSM-V Shadow Team now taking comments
« Reply #1 on: February 26, 2010, 11:57:19 PM »
You two are hilarious (Felice and Inculcated) why don't you start a comedy team.....lol
 :shamrock:  :shamrock:  :shamrock: .......Danny..
« Last Edit: December 31, 1969, 07:00:00 PM by Guest »

Offline SEKTO

  • Newbie
  • *
  • Posts: 505
  • Karma: +1/-1
    • View Profile
Re: DSM-V Shadow Team now taking comments
« Reply #2 on: February 27, 2010, 11:19:40 AM »
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rosenhan_experiment

The non-existent impostor experiment

For this experiment, Rosenhan used a well-known research and teaching hospital, whose staff had heard of the results of the initial study but claimed that similar errors could not be made at their institution. Rosenhan arranged with them that during a three month period, one or more pseudopatients would attempt to gain admission and the staff would rate every incoming patient as to the likelihood they were an impostor. Out of 193 patients, 41 were considered to be impostors and a further 42 were considered suspect. In reality, Rosenhan had sent no pseudopatients and all patients suspected as impostors by the hospital staff were genuine patients. This led to a conclusion that "any diagnostic process that lends itself too readily to massive errors of this sort cannot be a very reliable one". Studies by others found similarly problematic diagnostic results.
« Last Edit: December 31, 1969, 07:00:00 PM by Guest »

Offline SEKTO

  • Newbie
  • *
  • Posts: 505
  • Karma: +1/-1
    • View Profile
Re: DSM-V Shadow Team now taking comments
« Reply #3 on: February 27, 2010, 12:54:30 PM »
Until recently, I had never heard of the ICD (International Classification of Diseases).  It was my assumption that the DSM was the international standard reference book for diagnosticians.  Then I started reading about the World Health Organization’s ICD and learned that this is not the case.  The DSM is the primary diagnostic system in the United States and just a few other countries.  In most other countries around the world (particularly European countries), the DSM is used merely as an adjunct to the ICD diagnostic system, and sometimes the DSM is not employed at all.  The two references have many and significant differences, such as their respective coding systems and disagreement in terms of which certain disorders belong on what axes.  For instance: in ICD, "personality disorders" are placed on Axis 1; in DSM, they are Axis 2 diagnoses.  However, there has been a lot of work done cooperatively by the American Psychological Association (APA) and the WHO to bring these two texts into concordance, and my questions are these:  the ICD was first published before the DSM was.  So, why did the American Psychological Association the create DSM in the first place?  Why not, instead of trying to bring the DSM into concordance with the ICD and vice-versa, produce just one reference book that would set the international standard for diagnosis, epidemiology, and classification?   It seems like in the longer run, such a move would end much confusion, and would be a generally simpler, yet more elegant and “streamlined” system for everyone concerned.
« Last Edit: December 31, 1969, 07:00:00 PM by Guest »

Joel

  • Guest
Edited: Wednesday, October 06, 2010
« Reply #4 on: February 27, 2010, 01:12:45 PM »
Edited: Wednesday, October 06, 2010
« Last Edit: October 07, 2010, 06:52:41 AM by Joel »

Offline Ursus

  • Newbie
  • *
  • Posts: 8989
  • Karma: +3/-0
    • View Profile
Re: DSM-V Shadow Team now taking comments
« Reply #5 on: February 27, 2010, 02:49:20 PM »
Quote from: "SEKTO"
...the ICD was first published before the DSM was.  So, why did the American Psychological Association the create DSM in the first place?  Why not, instead of trying to bring the DSM into concordance with the ICD and vice-versa, produce just one reference book that would set the international standard for diagnosis, epidemiology, and classification?   It seems like in the longer run, such a move would end much confusion, and would be a generally simpler, yet more elegant and "streamlined" system for everyone concerned.
Because the Americans (i.e., the APA, in this case) want(s) more control of it.

See also:

    The Americanization of Mental Illness
    viewtopic.php?f=32&t=29903[/list]
    « Last Edit: December 31, 1969, 07:00:00 PM by Guest »
    -------------- • -------------- • --------------

    Offline SEKTO

    • Newbie
    • *
    • Posts: 505
    • Karma: +1/-1
      • View Profile
    Re: DSM-V Shadow Team now taking comments
    « Reply #6 on: February 27, 2010, 03:32:21 PM »
    DSM-V is not all bad news. It turns the jumble of developmental syndromes for children into a single group of "autism spectrum disorders," which makes sense because previously, with Asperger's as a separate disease, it was like trying to draw lines in a bucket of water. But the basic problems of the previous DSM series are left untouched.

    "...like trying to draw lines in a bucket of water."  I like that.
    « Last Edit: December 31, 1969, 07:00:00 PM by Guest »

    Offline Ursus

    • Newbie
    • *
    • Posts: 8989
    • Karma: +3/-0
      • View Profile
    Re: DSM-V Shadow Team now taking comments
    « Reply #7 on: February 27, 2010, 03:48:06 PM »
    Quote from: "Edward Shorter (above WSJ article)"
    DSM-V is not all bad news. It turns the jumble of developmental syndromes for children into a single group of "autism spectrum disorders," which makes sense because previously, with Asperger's as a separate disease, it was like trying to draw lines in a bucket of water. But the basic problems of the previous DSM series are left untouched.
    Beg to differ on Shorter's "disease" characterization of Aspergers, however... "Disorder" is okay, but the most appropriate description would be "developmental syndrome," imo...
    « Last Edit: December 31, 1969, 07:00:00 PM by Guest »
    -------------- • -------------- • --------------

    Offline SEKTO

    • Newbie
    • *
    • Posts: 505
    • Karma: +1/-1
      • View Profile
    Re: DSM-V Shadow Team now taking comments
    « Reply #8 on: February 27, 2010, 04:37:15 PM »
    My Abnormal Psych professor told us the other day that the ASD are being moved from Axis 2 to Axis 1, and that "they" are changing the name of Borderline PD, and moving it to Axis 1 as well.  In other words, these are being recategorized from "Developmental Disorders and Personality Disorders" to in the future being considered "Clinical Syndromes."  That is to say, these are being medicalized.  (cha-ching $$$)

    Further, the Abnormal Psych prof told us just a few days ago that the APA (concurrent with the 2013 publication of DSM-V) is also proposing to change the criteria by which one can become qualified to diagnose mental health clients, as well as the training procedures through which a person can be qualified to make such diagnoses.  After May of 2013, according to my prof, it may very well come to pass that anybody who completes a two-to-four year training program (even somebody without an undergraduate degree) can become qualified to diagnose clients out of the newly revised DSM.  Unbelievable.

    Yeah, I think that DSM is little more than a hunk of toilet paper in fancy packaging too.  But, I also say that even though it is for the most part lacking in validity, it's still better than nothing, and in some senses is at least an improvement upon the systems of old.  Just fifty short years ago I would likely have been made (on the orders of a doctor and as part of some "medical treatment" for relief of my depression) to inhale carbon monoxide until I passed out and began convulsing, or given a deliberate overdose of insulin, or maybe I would have been lobotomoized and put in some back ward.  We are making progress, albeit slowly.  This is my opinion.
    « Last Edit: December 31, 1969, 07:00:00 PM by Guest »

    Offline Ursus

    • Newbie
    • *
    • Posts: 8989
    • Karma: +3/-0
      • View Profile
    Re: DSM-V Shadow Team now taking comments
    « Reply #9 on: February 27, 2010, 06:17:09 PM »
    Quote from: "SEKTO"
    My Abnormal Psych professor told us the other day that the ASD are being moved from Axis 2 to Axis 1, and that "they" are changing the name of Borderline PD, and moving it to Axis 1 as well.  In other words, these are being recategorized from "Developmental Disorders and Personality Disorders" to in the future being considered "Clinical Syndromes."  That is to say, these are being medicalized.  (cha-ching $$$)

    Further, the Abnormal Psych prof told us just a few days ago that the APA (concurrent with the 2013 publication of DSM-V) is also proposing to change the criteria by which one can become qualified to diagnose mental health clients, as well as the training procedures through which a person can be qualified to make such diagnoses.  After May of 2013, according to my prof, it may very well come to pass that anybody who completes a two-to-four year training program (even somebody without an undergraduate degree) can become qualified to diagnose clients out of the newly revised DSM.  Unbelievable.
    Geez Louise! Gotta wonder just what kind of "professional standards" someone sans undergraduate degree but with a "a two-to-four year training program" under their belt ... feels beholden to. And just who is in charge of these training programs?
    « Last Edit: December 31, 1969, 07:00:00 PM by Guest »
    -------------- • -------------- • --------------

    Offline SEKTO

    • Newbie
    • *
    • Posts: 505
    • Karma: +1/-1
      • View Profile
    Re: DSM-V Shadow Team now taking comments
    « Reply #10 on: February 27, 2010, 06:35:21 PM »
    This has only been proposed (so I am told), and is nothing that has been set in stone.  Don't anybody get their panties in a wad over it.  Nothing will be decided upon and implemented until over three years from now.
    « Last Edit: December 31, 1969, 07:00:00 PM by Guest »

    Offline DannyB II

    • Newbie
    • *
    • Posts: 3273
    • Karma: +5/-0
      • View Profile
    Re: DSM-V Shadow Team now taking comments
    « Reply #11 on: March 13, 2010, 09:45:28 PM »
    Trying to diagnose myself but I have a problem, to many to choose from. I seem to be able to identify with all. I know I have "CIPD", Collective Integration Personality Disorder. I collect personality disorders and integrate them. Ya know like a goulash, everything left around the kitchen dumped into the pot with some noodles. Looks horrible but tastes great. At least that's what my mom called her Hungarian Goulash.
    viewtopic.php?f=49&t=29966&start=15

     

    http://www.dsm5.org/ProposedRevisions/P ... rders.aspx
    DSM-IV Disorders Being Recommended for Reformulation

    301.0 Paranoid Personality Disorder
    301.20 Schizoid Personality Disorder
    301.22 Schizotypal Personality Disorder
    301.7 Antisocial Personality Disorder
    301.83 Borderline Personality Disorder
    301.50 Histrionic Personality Disorder
    301.81 Narcissistic Personality Disorder
    301.82 Avoidant Personality Disorder
    301.6 Dependent Personality Disorder
    301.4 Obsessive-Compulsive Personality Disorder
    301.9 Personality Disorder Not Otherwise Specified

     Appendix B Diagnosis: Depressive Personality Disorder
     Appendix B Diagnosis: Passive-Aggressive (Negativistic) Personality Disorder
     General Diagnostic Criteria for Personality Disorder

     :shamrock:  :shamrock:
    Danny.......
    « Last Edit: December 31, 1969, 07:00:00 PM by Guest »
    Stand and fight, till there is no more.

    Offline RTP2003

    • Posts: 1345
    • Karma: +0/-0
      • View Profile
    Re: DSM-V Shadow Team now taking comments
    « Reply #12 on: March 14, 2010, 04:17:04 AM »
    Quote from: "Eliscu2"
    Intermittent Visual Nose Picking Disorder (IVNPD)

    IVNPD is primarily characterized by unpredictable episodes or experiences compromised by the imagined perception of lights, patterns or objects in the visual cortex during intense nose picking excavations.

    Source: Page 233 of the DSM-IV-FE*




    This is hilarious, or would be if the rest of the damn thing weren't so, well, creepy.  I was wondering about the above disorder, though--what if the episodes can be linked to mornings after a night of insufflated drug abuse, such as snorting cocaine, heroin, xanax, or other drugs, particularly those that leave significant mucus encrustation?  Would this factor in, or is a new diagnosis indicated?
    « Last Edit: December 31, 1969, 07:00:00 PM by Guest »
    RTP2003 fought in defense of the Old Republic

    Joel

    • Guest
    Edited: Wednesday, October 06, 2010
    « Reply #13 on: March 16, 2010, 09:00:39 AM »
    Edited: Wednesday, October 06, 2010
    « Last Edit: October 07, 2010, 08:03:08 AM by Joel »

    Offline SEKTO

    • Newbie
    • *
    • Posts: 505
    • Karma: +1/-1
      • View Profile
    Re: DSM-V Shadow Team now taking comments
    « Reply #14 on: March 24, 2010, 05:15:47 PM »
    Quote from: "Ursus"
    Quote from: "SEKTO"
    ...the ICD was first published before the DSM was.  So, why did the American Psychological Association the create DSM in the first place?  Why not, instead of trying to bring the DSM into concordance with the ICD and vice-versa, produce just one reference book that would set the international standard for diagnosis, epidemiology, and classification?   It seems like in the longer run, such a move would end much confusion, and would be a generally simpler, yet more elegant and "streamlined" system for everyone concerned.
    Because the Americans (i.e., the APA, in this case) want(s) more control of it.

    See also:

      The Americanization of Mental Illness
      viewtopic.php?f=32&t=29903[/list]

      The other day I asked my Abnormal Psych professor (himself a practicing psychiatrist) this very question, the one about why the DSM is used over the ICD in this country, even though the ICD is known internationally to be both more reliable and valid than the DSM.  It was during his office hours, when it was just he and I.  His is a DSM-based class.  We have to study that stuff assiduously.

      In answering my question, he kind of smirked and said, "For the same reason that the rest of the world uses the metric system and we don't.  We're Americans, and we just have to do things differently, and somehow need to think that we're more advanced than everybody else.  And of course, the insurance companies have to get their piece."

      So even he agreed that the supremacy of the DSM is a myth (even as he is teaching it) and that Big Pharm is a scam, but also said basically that clinicians are forced to do the best they can with what they've got.  I respect him for his candor.
      « Last Edit: December 31, 1969, 07:00:00 PM by Guest »