Treatment Abuse, Behavior Modification, Thought Reform > The Troubled Teen Industry
Against Their Will?
Anonymous:
Okay. What I would like to see is placement in any program that restricts a kid's mail (except according to the same strictures that would be legal and ethical for an adult) requiring a court order, and removal across state or national boundaries for the purpose of placement being grounds for other friends and relatives to sue for custody for purpose of removing the kid from the institution.
I would like to see any court order be preceded by a mandatory psychiatric evaluation by a court-appointed psychiatrist (at the parents' expense) of *both* the child and the parents.
If the parents have significant insufficiently treated psychological or psychiatric problems, the intervention of *first* resort should be to place the child in foster care with adult guardians who do *not* have insufficiently treated psychiatric problems to see if the child stabilizes under the guardianship of stable people.
I am not as concerned with sane parents placing their kids than I am with parents with untreated major mental illnesses or personality disorders or addictions or, well, control freaks (which should probably be classed as a personality disorder but I don't think it is) placing kids in restrictive environments when a regular home environment under sane guardians is what the kid *really* needs.
(Not true for all kids---but true for some of the kids getting placed. Probably a *lot* of the kids getting placed from what I've been seeing since I started looking into this.)
And I don't think the parents should be held liable if the child steals unless the parents were negligent. If the state where you live is like that, then maybe its laws need some changes.
Carey:
Please don't add to what I said. I said nothing about shipping kids off to any program. I was responding to Deborah's senario, the stepford wife thing.
I am against shipping teens off. I agree, we should use the legal system that is in place. If my child breaks the law then I want him to go through the legal system that is in place in society. If it turns out he/she needs to spend time in juvenile detention. Then so be it.
I tried to edit the previous post. I could not so I will just add it here.
Maybe some of the parents who put their teens in a "program" do so to save their own reputation (not the childs reputation, but their own). In otherwords maybe they do it because they are selfish. Maybe they want to be able to say "my kid is in a boarding school in Costa Rica." Maybe they would find it too hard to tell their firends "little Johnny is in juvenile detention."
I just think if parents are held accountable for placeing their kids in abusive programs, then they will be a whole lot more careful before choosing another one. Also, I think it would be a deterant for other parents who are considering placement for the first time.
Anonymous:
--- Quote ---On 2003-09-12 10:46:00, Anonymous wrote:
"how does a total control enviroment and not being able to cross your legs, look out the window or pee by yourself prepare you for the big bad world? Is that their purpose or is it to prepare you to chew on whatever the program feeds you until you get a "vision" to grow the program and/or become an employee because after all this is not only good for teen Johnny it is good for the whole world and should be in public schools etc. according to Gilcrease and all his magical child followers
does is see to you WWASPers that the whole world is against you and the groups efforts are misunderstood...damn- if you could just get them to a seminar! I'ts gotta be tough when you are trying to save the world...review cult behavior"
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Hmmm. I used to work for a company that said too many people were looking out the window and doing their work- so they installed partitions that covered the windows. We had to ask permission to leave our desk to go pee. Our mail came to us opened, since it was a high security business. Could look at the men, but couldn't date them or be fired!And on and on. Aren't ALL programs pretty much that way in the beginning? Teach rules, follow rules, get priviledges? Agree with everything? Nope. There's a lot I don't agree with in many areas of life. I stayed at that company for a lot more years than I wanted to - not exactly against my will, but the benefits were worth it and I learned to work with the stupid rules. Those stupid rules helped me out in another job. I learned to discipline myself and got a lot further than if I had challenged or not followed the rules. I got more changed within the organization by making clear requests instead of complaining. That's what Iwould advise parents that don't agree with the current rules. Make a clear request!
Where did you get that wwasps wants to save the world? That's funny! One family at a time healing, learning, growing, and knowing nothing is perfect.
Anonymous:
Carey - it's true some parents would do what you said. We come in all shapes, sizes and thoughts. Most do it to create a healthier family and do the work it requires to get there. What is the criminal justice system going to teach our kids, or us for that matter? Fear, being with criminals, feeling worthless. How many of these kids go back to jail as adults? Did they ever thank their parents for not helping them stop the destruction? This is really getting old, the abuse thing. I wouldn't want to be where my kid was 24/7, but he was never hurt, never starved, never mentally brainwashed. He chose to change his choices, as did I. Call it whatever you want. The press hasn't got a clue.
Anonymous:
--- Quote ---On 2003-09-12 12:04:00, Carey wrote:
"Maybe some of the parents who put their teens >I just think if parents are held accountable for placeing their kids in abusive programs, then they will be a whole lot more careful before choosing another one. Also, I think it would be a deterant for other parents who are considering placement for the first time."
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Bear in mind, the majority of these parents send their kids to a locked boarding school without even making a personal inspecton of the facility. How risky is that?
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