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The Only Instance of Abuse "Admittance" by Staff of MBA

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Anonymous:
Sorry Whooter, this link works. Welcome.

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Sorry if I wasn’t clear, I was thinking more from a biological standpoint vs hypnotic, although now that you mentioned it I do believe the ever changing perception is what keeps the programs in business.  There was no conscience attempt to misquote Psy.  Let me try to explain my thinking:

Think of programs as the cure for the common cold.  If evolution did not exist we would never be sick because the common cold wouldn’t change or evolve, the cold would stay the same and we would have all built up antibodies to deal with it a long time ago.  So for Aspen to stay in business they need to evolve along with us in order to attract the same percentage of the population (staying the same/maintaining market share).
 
The programs are evolving at a slightly faster pace than we are and therefore are one step ahead of us putting in place a cure.  If someone from the past cheats, looks back and peels away a layer (like Psy did when he went back to Benchmark) you may see that the basis of the change is parasitic on the present but mirrors the past as Psy discovered and therefore nothing has really changed from his vantage point.  We are not suppose to be able to see that because programs are marketed to be cutting edge and only someone from the past could spot the similarities.  People 100 years ago caught the cold the same as we do today but it has evolved to become stronger to outsmart our present antibodies.

The cold is the real problem, not the cure.  But as we all know there is no cure for the common cold.  We just need to let it run its course and give our bodies time to adjust and overcome it.
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This is a bunch of stupid double-speak.  Programs are perceived to be changing because they lie and say they [ihave changed[/i] but it is clear that they haven't.  They use methods that have been scientifically discredited for many decades (e.g. MBA).  Aspen Education is one of the very worst.  They try to disguise what they do by changing names, like "LifeSteps," but since the content and format don't change, nothing has.

Programs are not like the cure for the common cold.  They're the shit your grandpa used to give you when you were sick while explaining, "it burns cuz it's workin'!"  No evidence whatsoever suggests programs work at all.  In fact, all research about TBS shows they make kids worse.  See the Bazelon study on TBS here.  This study actually references MBA and Aspen by name and basically calls them an "overpriced fraud with no benefit."  
Yet this proven, unmitigated liar, Whooter wants everyone to ignore science and believe his nonsense?  Not happening.

Whooter is a scam artist.  Don't believe a word he says.  He's an industry player doing damage control for the failed AEG program model.  Read point #2.

RMA Survivor:
I think the original post was perfect.  It shows admittance by a former staff that the program was abusive in the past.  And the investigators in Oregon are now finding that the abuses by Aspen continued up to the present day when they shut down Mount Bachelor Academy recently.

And I think it is funny that he admitted they didn't follow the law in the old days and that the State of Oregon found they weren't following them today either.  And how recently he was admitting they weren't following the law (something like eight months ago) and how quickly they were exposed as being so abusive to kids.  And how basically every claim he made in his post the State of Oregon found to be untrue.  That what they call therapy and treatment and counseling is in fact nothing of the sort.  They found it to be coercive, dangerous, abusive and illegal.  Big surprise there.  The wheels of justice turn slowly, but they do turn.  There was no chance this was going to turn out positively for Aspen Group's Mount Bachelor Academy.  

John Reuben can claim that these programs are ever-evolving, but clearly that is not the case.  

What was just as funny was John Reuben using the analogy of a common cold.  If there was no evolution, the cold virus would not adapt.  Well, if there was no evolution, we wouldn't adapt either.  So the original cold would be the same, and we'd be fighting it off with the same antibodies over and over again.  Unfortunately for John Reuben, we do adapt.  

The virus, represented by these cult programs, isn't adapting as quickly today.  With the internet, or more specifically the recent explosion and spread of social networking sites and blogs, the ability for survivors to post their stories, tell about the true nature of these programs and contact newspapers and authorities, has allowed the world to adapt and learn.  And it is learning quickly that this virus is deadly, kills our kids, and needs a real antibody to wipe it out.  And that antibody has started to emerge in states like Oregon.  And that antibody will replicate and move to the other states where these viruses have grown.  John Reuben can try all he wants to keep the virus alive, but ultimately the virus is going to be wiped out.  John Reuben can post as The Who and Whooter all he wants, but it won't change the truth.  Any investigation of any of these programs by authorities will always reveal the virus of abuse.

John Reuben may keep using the "just a few bad apples" defense, but that's so old and shows a lack of adaptation.  And John Reuben can claim that some of the programs have a licensed psychologist on staff, but on the one hand, that shows the rest of the staff aren't licensed, and as the State of Oregon determined, that one psychologist wasn't doing the counseling, it was the untrained staff that were doing it all.  Which is why, whenever any state investigators show up at these places, they are going to find the same thing and come to the same conclusions.  No amount of untrained staff are capable of providing legitimate treatment, counseling or therapy.  They might be able to babysit teens, but past that....?  Nothing.  Just a facade.  A very expensive and well marketed facade that is quickly being revealed, just like The Wizard of Oz was, as being just a money driven sham.  

I am sorry the survivor who opened this thread had to suffer, but glad she found out the truth, painful as it was.

Anonymous:
Some excerpts from the DHS report:

[Redacted information] [M]any children enroll at MBA with a variety of mental, emotional and behavioral challenges, including substance abuse, depression, [medical issues], learning disorders, conduct disorders, parent-child relational problems, and trauma histories resulting in Post Traumatic Stress Disorder (PTSD).  While MBA has this information, it does not utilize substantive individualized treatment plans for students on which the staff are trained.  Instead, all students are required to participate in MBA's "emotional growth curriculum," including a series of "personal growth" experiences known as "Lifesteps," regardless of their emotional, behavioral or mental health treatment needs."

“[redacted] MBA staff identified Child A's issues as abandonment, molestation, [diagnosed] problems, not obeying Child A's parents, cussing, partying and [redacted behavior].  Staff reported that while at MBA, Child A was supposed to work on feeling “disgusting” because this is how Child A felt about [redacted] and [redacted past event].

Child A reported that while at MBA, during a Venture Lifestep that occurred on [date redacted], Child A had to wear a "French Maid's" outfit and give male clients and one staff "lap dances" in front of male and female clients and staff.  A male peer confirmed that Child A had performed a lap dance on him.  Child A said staff assigned Child A the role of "French Maid" because Child A had been [event] in Child A's past and this was a way for Child A to take responsibility for what happened.  Child A said staff directed Child A to "Go shake your ass like you do for the boys.” Child A said staff called Child A a "slut" and told Child A Child A was "worthless" and said Child A "wouldn't get anywhere in life."
MBA Executive Director Sharon Bitz was asked to respond to the allegation of abuse, and stated  "No.  It's my opinion we didn't abuse Child A.  I don't believe Child A was abused on that date."

Anonymous:
AP3 is a Phase IV Leader at Mt. Bachelor Academy, and was one of the founders of the program.  In an early interview, AP3 stated AP3 had written the scripts for the Lifesteps with another MBA founder, and as Phase Leader, helped assign Lifestep roles.  In an interview on 10/13/09 AP3 stated Lifesteps were “in the past,” because MBA no longer has Lifesteps.  AP3 stated MBA had changed the scripts as a result of being investigated, because “some of them were written poorly.”  
Responding to the allegation that AP3 developed Lifestep scripts that are coercive, degrading and humiliating, AP3 stated they are not “an AP3 creation.”AP3 said AP3 has implemented Lifestep scripts, but said some of it comes from CEDU, AP3 said AP3 wrote them with another founding MBA member after working at CEDU.  AP3 stated while at CEDU AP3 went through all the ‘workshops” now called Lifesteps, and acknowledged that AP3 AP3's self had walked out of a CEDU workshop similar to The Venture, but said MBA started using a “softer approach” than what was used at CEDU.   Discussing Venture Lifestep roles, for example, AP3 said the roles, like Child A's "French Maid" role, are not "in stone," and students can act out their role as they choose to.  AP3 said the goal for students is to realize their minds can play games, and for the students to see themselves and "how they may go to the negative side."  For example, AP3 stated Child A [behaviors redacted].  AP3 said Child A was very wild and had very bad boundaries. AP3 stated the "French Maid" is not a "sexual" role, it's about "cleaning house, and looking cute."  AP3 said the purpose of the workshop is that pushing fear brings an understanding of how powerful negative thinking can hold you back.

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