Treatment Abuse, Behavior Modification, Thought Reform > Aspen Education Group
The Only Instance of Abuse "Admittance" by Staff of MBA
Anonymous:
--- Quote from: "psy" --- the program I was in.
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Can Benchmark really be called a program?
The answer is no. Benchmark is a facility for adults who wish to rehabilitate themselves from problems. The proper name for Benchmark is adult rehabilitation center, a place which Psy signed himself into at the age of 18, a legal adult. Psy claims he is against coercive programs, something he never experienced in any way, shape or form. In short, Psy is a fraudulent program survivor of a dubious nature.
Anonymous:
--- Quote from: "Whooter" ---Programs are ever evolving, like Psy mentioned, and some may say they are doing away with a percieved harmful aspect of the program when in fact they just rename it. So it is best to try to find out what they are doing currently by reading here or contacting the program directly, speaking to families who have been through the program recently.
I looked around and MBA did provide therapy via a licensed Psychologist. The argument that Aspen had in court was with a specific child who didn’t receive therapy ( at another facility). Many of these facilities give parents the option of having their child see a private therapist while the child attends the program which can be separately funded directly by the parents. It is up to each parent to decide what is appropriate for their child and whether or not they want one on one therapy.
So technically any one specific program may not provide therapy through Aspen, so it can be said that Aspen doesn’t provide Therapy for “all“ their programs directly.
But to imply that Aspen as a Corporation does not provide therapy would be an incorrect statement.
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It doesn’t matter what kind of therapy it is. If it is a forced situation it CANNOT result in behavior changes that you can identify as free, independent, expressions of the individual. In this way any positive results cannot statistically be shown to represent the change solely in the individual, but the statistics MUST show that the psychological unit of evaluation is the individual AND the environment. This makes it impossible to produce accurate statistics, or make factual statements with regard to individual change of any kind. “Therapy”, under this pretense, can only produce results that ONLY exist in relation to the environment.
This also means the individual CANNOT credit themselves in any way for the changes they make even if they are positive ones and are happy with them. The continued change in behavior of the individual will always be recognized, by the individual and the involved group, as a result of forced compliance and so any pride the individual may feel for achieving growth and change will be coupled with the fact that it was achieved by giving up their autonomy, and personal will, and submitting to the therapists definition of him as being unaware of his own inability to judge reality and being out of control of his own actions.
The individual then is faced with the untenable position of ‘making positive choices’, but ones that have been directed to him under the pretext ‘you are not well enough to make decisions for yourself’. So even if at some point the individual chooses to continue that behavior he will also be accepting the presupposition, that is adopting the personal belief about himself, that he can be ‘out of control of himself’ or ’not himself’. So if he then falls out of this pattern of ‘positive changes’ he is accepting that it is a result of him ‘losing control of himself’ or entering into some state of mind where he believes some foreign force is controlling him. This belief about himself is necessary to adopt if the process of forced therapy is going to be a success.
Of course if the individual does not want to go through therapy they do not have a choice. The reason is they CANNOT NOT communicate in this situation. Trying to resist the process of therapy is still a type of communication in this situation. The subject will be labeled by the therapist, the one given authority to label him in the social setting, isolated, withdrawn, uncooperative, etc. Resistance on the part of the individual is then able to be used as supportive evidence that he is in fact ‘mentally ill’ in some manner.
Of course this outcome, and the awareness of the inability to challenge the therapists authority, is quickly learned by victims of programs. The knowledge that, if their resistance is detected, it will be cause for negative labeling can result in behavior that is extremely compliant, but the action is really an act to avoid labels that keep him trapped in an environment perceives him as dysfunctional, and therefore not safe to be allowed freedom.
Sorry Whooter, the idea of forced therapy contains this obvious paradox, and your position is void due to this logical error in your thinking. If you really expect your words to have any meaning I suggest you agree to join me here.
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Whooter:
--- Quote from: "Antigen" ---
Whooter does this because it works........And if people don't challenge it it becomes part of the accepted reality--the Consensus Trance.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l63SRpGXBHE
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Sorry if I wasn’t clear, I was thinking more from a biological standpoint vs hypnotic, although now that you mentioned it I do believe the ever changing perception is what keeps the programs in business. There was no conscience attempt to misquote Psy. Let me try to explain my thinking:
Think of programs as the cure for the common cold. If evolution did not exist we would never be sick because the common cold wouldn’t change or evolve, the cold would stay the same and we would have all built up antibodies to deal with it a long time ago. So for Aspen to stay in business they need to evolve along with us in order to attract the same percentage of the population (staying the same/maintaining market share).
The programs are evolving at a slightly faster pace than we are and therefore are one step ahead of us putting in place a cure. If someone from the past cheats, looks back and peels away a layer (like Psy did when he went back to Benchmark) you may see that the basis of the change is parasitic on the present but mirrors the past as Psy discovered and therefore nothing has really changed from his vantage point. We are not suppose to be able to see that because programs are marketed to be cutting edge and only someone from the past could spot the similarities. People 100 years ago caught the cold the same as we do today but it has evolved to become stronger to outsmart our present antibodies.
The cold is the real problem, not the cure. But as we all know there is no cure for the common cold. We just need to let it run its course and give our bodies time to adjust and overcome it.
Anonymous:
--- Quote from: "Whooter" --- There was no conscience attempt to misquote Psy.
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Whooter’s Freudian slip is showing.
Anonymous:
--- Quote from: "Whooter" ---
--- Quote from: "Antigen" ---
Whooter does this because it works........And if people don't challenge it it becomes part of the accepted reality--the Consensus Trance.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l63SRpGXBHE
--- End quote ---
Sorry if I wasn’t clear, I was thinking more from a biological standpoint vs hypnotic, although now that you mentioned it I do believe the ever changing perception is what keeps the programs in business. There was no conscience attempt to misquote Psy. Let me try to explain my thinking:
Think of programs as the cure for the common cold. If evolution did not exist we would never be sick because the common cold wouldn’t change or evolve, the cold would stay the same and we would have all built up antibodies to deal with it a long time ago. So for Aspen to stay in business they need to evolve along with us in order to attract the same percentage of the population (staying the same/maintaining market share).
The programs are evolving at a slightly faster pace than we are and therefore are one step ahead of us putting in place a cure. If someone from the past cheats, looks back and peels away a layer (like Psy did when he went back to Benchmark) you may see that the basis of the change is parasitic on the present but mirrors the past as Psy discovered and therefore nothing has really changed from his vantage point. We are not suppose to be able to see that because programs are marketed to be cutting edge and only someone from the past could spot the similarities. People 100 years ago caught the cold the same as we do today but it has evolved to become stronger to outsmart our present antibodies.
The cold is the real problem, not the cure. But as we all know there is no cure for the common cold. We just need to let it run its course and give our bodies time to adjust and overcome it.
--- End quote ---
We cannot really evaluate things properly if we rely on erroneous associations to explain them. Because you should know....
It doesn’t matter what kind of therapy it is. If it is a forced situation it CANNOT result in behavior changes that you can identify as free, independent, expressions of the individual. In this way any positive results cannot statistically be shown to represent the change solely in the individual, but the statistics MUST show that the psychological unit of evaluation is the individual AND the environment. This makes it impossible to produce accurate statistics, or make factual statements with regard to individual change of any kind. “Therapy”, under this pretense, can only produce results that ONLY exist in relation to the environment.
This also means the individual CANNOT credit themselves in any way for the changes they make even if they are positive ones and are happy with them. The continued change in behavior of the individual will always be recognized, by the individual and the involved group, as a result of forced compliance and so any pride the individual may feel for achieving growth and change will be coupled with the fact that it was achieved by giving up their autonomy, and personal will, and submitting to the therapists definition of him as being unaware of his own inability to judge reality and being out of control of his own actions.
The individual then is faced with the untenable position of ‘making positive choices’, but ones that have been directed to him under the pretext ‘you are not well enough to make decisions for yourself’. So even if at some point the individual chooses to continue that behavior he will also be accepting the presupposition, that is adopting the personal belief about himself, that he can be ‘out of control of himself’ or ’not himself’. So if he then falls out of this pattern of ‘positive changes’ he is accepting that it is a result of him ‘losing control of himself’ or entering into some state of mind where he believes some foreign force is controlling him. This belief about himself is necessary to adopt if the process of forced therapy is going to be a success.
Of course if the individual does not want to go through therapy they do not have a choice. The reason is they CANNOT NOT communicate in this situation. Trying to resist the process of therapy is still a type of communication in this situation. The subject will be labeled by the therapist, the one given authority to label him in the social setting, isolated, withdrawn, uncooperative, etc. Resistance on the part of the individual is then able to be used as supportive evidence that he is in fact ‘mentally ill’ in some manner.
Of course this outcome, and the awareness of the inability to challenge the therapists authority, is quickly learned by victims of programs. The knowledge that, if their resistance is detected, it will be cause for negative labeling can result in behavior that is extremely compliant, but the action is really an act to avoid labels that keep him trapped in an environment perceives him as dysfunctional, and therefore not safe to be allowed freedom.
Sorry Whooter, the idea of forced therapy contains this obvious paradox, and your position is void due to this logical error in your thinking. If you really expect your words to have any meaning I suggest you agree to join me here.
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