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Way more kids praise programs than attack them, why is that?
Ursus:
--- Quote from: "RE" ---the program i was at thought Asperger's meant i did not know it was wrong to lie and steal.
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Generally speaking, kids who have Asperger's are less likely to lie... They often have an obsession for this thing called "the truth." I bet your program did not know very much about Asperger's.
FemanonFatal2.0:
Even taking into account that OP is certainly a troll, I still feel its important to discuss this issue.
I believe it really boils down to the person you are and the experience you had with the program. Whether you are a parent, former detainee or just an interested party chances are you will either adhere to the opinion that the methods employed by the troubled teen industry can easily be classified as child abuse, or you think that for some reason these teens deserved the harsh treatment. I know that seems to be an over generalization but long story short it comes down to whether you have the capasity for empathy or not.
I actually find it funny, talking to my old program friends and aquaintences how many of them still believe that whole dead, insane or in jail bit... I mean you want proof of brainwashing?... How about the fact that they all give you the same line, without any evidence of that actually being the truth in their personal experience. Like our guest above said, most of us returned to bad behavior after we left far surpassing our childish attempts of rebellion before the program... and what do you know... were still here.
Not to mention the fact that many people actually enjoyed the fact that they were given absolute power over others, and were actually encouraged to mentally and physically abuse other students. For some, a situation like the program is the perfect outlet for their violent desires and these kinds of people have no mind to turn around and stand against a program that taught them that abuse was okay, as long as you think the victim deserved it.
Same goes for the parents... too many parents are just trigger happy to see someone else punishing and controlling their child. They feel they failed as a diciplinarian and that they lost respect from their child and the only way to gain that back is to let them live in hell for a few years so they might come home greatful and respectful. and sure that ruse can be upkept with threats of being sent back... but only for so long. Most times that just backfires and they get a kid who's lost even more hostile and disrespectful.
Thing is, this over generalized estimate of 1000 to 4 is probably not coming from a very reliable source... in my personal experience, talking to hundreds of former students not just from the school I went to but many many others, I find that your estimate is way off. I say more accurately its about 2 to 100, and a majority of that percentage could really care less and just want to move on with their lives. A lot of it has to do with the experience they had, for instance not everyone was physically abused, and every program had a different level of mental and emotional trauma. Just because a former student isn't pissed off enough to join the cause doesn't automatically mean they approve of the program... in fact most people choose to stay ignorant to the truth about the illegal and unethically activities of the program because they just don't feel like dealing with that massive realization.
It takes dedication to stand against the program and sadly... only about 4 out of 1000 really have what it takes to make a difference.
Anonymous:
Well now Femanon Fatal,
That was some speech, I enjoyed your reason. I have to say your explaination was the best I have heard in a while. You posted on alot of different points and it all rolled together.
Thanks...WOW
Love it here really do.....
:shamrock: :shamrock: :shamrock: ...........Danny.....
Whooter:
A few random thoughts
I think the reason more kids praise programs then attack them is because more kids were helped by them. I really don’t think they look back on their time there as abusive the same as kids don’t look back on their lives at home as abusive. They don’t feel their parents were abusive because they were held accountable for their actions and had to face consequences like staying in their room or missing a Friday night out.
The kids who attend programs all know why they were sent there and had plenty of notice and or opportunity to adjust their behavior prior to being sent, but just just chose not to.
I can see, by reading here on fornits, why many would conclude that all programs are abusive. If there were a web site dedicated to talking about the abuses in public schools and how they were raped and humiliated by staff and teachers and omitting any positive experiences they had I think many would be leaning towards home schooling . Another example, I am sure that the kids who lived through the Columbine experience feel all the parents must be brainwashed into thinking that our public school system is safe and continue to this day sending our innocent kids to school to be slaughtered after seeing first hand that kids can get shot there. We must conclude that these parents have no feeling for their own kids safety or why would they send them off like that?
Many of the parents who send their kids to programs speak to other parents who had kids in the same school or speak to the kids themselves. So they are getting first hand information of the schools success. If you add this to the studies that some of these schools have done it is easy to conclude that the overwhelming majority of the kids who attend a program do well and continue on a healthy path after graduating.
Also, the absence of these children on websites, like fornits, is understandable. If a 1,000 people buy a flat screen from Walmart and 4 of them have trouble with their sets how many people do you think Walmart would hear from? The people who are happy are not going to take the time to call up customer service and thank them for such a great TV. The people who speak out are the ones who are unhappy, they don’t represent the majority, it is quite the opposite.
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Ursus:
--- Quote from: "Whooter" ---The kids who attend programs all know why they were sent there and had plenty of notice and or opportunity to adjust their behavior prior to being sent, but just just chose not to.
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You reveal more than you realize in that statement. Your characterization of the reason that kids get sent to programs is one of punishment and behavior modification, plain and simple. They "just chose not to" adjust their behavior, so this is what they get.
Some kids come from abusive home situations, perpetrated by their parents, which the programs neither attempt to rehabilitate nor even address. I'm not exactly sure what behavior adjustment you think these kids should have effected to prevent their being sent to a program.
If these programs were actually what you claim they are, surely the "non-rotten apples" would be denied admission, and kids suffering from abusive family dynamics would be directed to more appropriate venues?
But ... in real life, this very rarely happens. Rather, it's a one-size-fits-all approach driven by corporate greed and tunnel-visioned ideology, where advancement is measured by confessions of wrong-doing and the ability to coerce others to do same, regardless of the verity of it all. Some programs even fraudulently market themselves as "specialty boarding schools" with some extra-special bonus perks, which include cult-like indoctrination of both the kids and their parents in LGAT seminars.
Some kids really don't do well in that kind of environment, previous maladjusted behavior or not. Utilizing a punitive approach coupled with a milieu of 24/7 peer pressure ... breaks some kids and more or less permanently warps others. That's why one hears tales of abuse. It IS abuse, plain and simple.
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