Treatment Abuse, Behavior Modification, Thought Reform > World Wide Association of Specialty Programs and Schools (WWASPS)
Way more kids praise programs than attack them, why is that?
Anne Bonney:
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It's called "evasion," Ursus. Whooter strictly avoids things as long as he can and when he can no longer avoid them he withdraws or rat packs the other poster with a dozen sockpuppets.
He knows full well there is no one year follow-up so he ran away. It's what he always does.
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Whooter:
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--- Quote from: "Whooter" ---I didnt think I was loosing my mind. pelberlaw was asking anonymous, not me. Most people here know if I am asked a question I typically respond.
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He referred to you as anonymous because he's pretty sure your real name isn't Whooter.
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Well it could have been you then he was asking for, your name isnt really Anne Bonney. No one has ever called me anonymous before, how would I know?
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How would you know? :D
Nobody else linked to a study, not in that thread, nor any other, for at least a few weeks prior to and after that post was made. But you brought one up.
Nobody else brought up the alleged one year followup to that study, but you did. When he asked about the one-year followup that you brought up, gee, why would you think he was addressing "someone else?"
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I have seen and read the study you linked to. Stripped of its wrapping it compares how parents see their kids and kids see themselves on the day they are sent into a program and the day they leave. That kind of survey, even if dressed up with scientific language and statistics to make it look serious, is not worthy of discussion. I thought from your earlier post that there was a one year follow up. Has that been published? Is that true? Where can I find it? Thanks
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It's called "evasion," Ursus. Whooter strictly avoids things as long as he can and when he can no longer avoid them he withdraws or rat packs the other poster with a dozen sockpuppets.
He knows full well there is no one year follow-up so he ran away. It's what he always does.
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Ha,Ha,Ha Sorry DJ, but you got fooled again. You should slow down and read. That post was directed at "anonymous"... not "Whooter"!! lol
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Whooter:
Dear anonymous, The last statement you made wasn't very clear to me. Was this based on personal knowledge or do you have a link that we can all read to. Thanks I appreciate the feedback.
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DannyB II:
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Redditorsubmod:
--- Quote from: "Guest" ---Before you start your explanation, I hope you consider refraining from using the term "brainwashing", since this is not accurate.
If 1,000 kids say a program is just fine, and 4 kids complain that it was abusive, what would you believe? That is the choice parents have today and why the 'anti program movement' is nothing more than a few websites and the crazy people who run them.
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These programs are all about making money; profit is the only reason the troubled teen industry exists. Where else but the troubled teen industry can a LCSW or marriage and family counselor make $1 million a year or more? For the most part, the people in the troubled teen industry are not 'evil' people. The abuses in the troubled teen industry occur because the operators want to maximize their profits, not because they intend on abusing the children. Unfortunately, abuse is a natural result of maximizing profits.
Brainwashing is an accurate term for what the trouble teen industry does. Brainwashing is a technique developed during the Korean war to reduce the cost of warehousing prisoners. That is the same reason why the troubled teen industry uses Brainwashing techniques so much. Maximizing profits means keeping costs of storing the kids low. Fewer guards means lower cost. If you take the time to study brainwashing techniques, then go observe a troubled teen program, you can check off the methods in use one by one.
The dirty secret behind the troubled teen industry is that most of the problems they claim to treat will resolve on their own as children mature. Families often encounter relationship problems when children are 13 to 18 years old. For most families, those relationship issues resolve by themselves. Time is what helps the kids, not the troubled teen industry. The troubled teen industry knows this and depends on it. They do their dog and pony show for the parents, and then wait for time to work its magic.
The troubled teen industry understands that kids get better from maturity not therapy, and as a result, the primary goal of the troubled teen industry is not therapy, but to warehouse children at the lowest cost/greatest profit while waiting for the kids to mature and their problems to resolve. Brainwashing kids is a very effective way to reduce the cost of confining kids. Try to find a troubled teen facility that does not use Brainwashing. Betcha can't.
Admittedly, brainwashing is rarely permanent. For most kids, they recover from its affects within a few years after they are removed from them. Unfortunately, that is not true for all kids. Some have lasting injury. The troubled teen industry knows this and does not care. Profit is more important than the damage done to the small number of kids.
Of course, resolution of behavioral problems by maturation presents a fatal flaw with any study claiming that the troubled teen industry actually helps kids. No study conducted to date accounts for normal maturation or differentiates it from any so-called therapeutic intervention. The studies identify that kids are better after they have matured and claims that is a result of 'therapy.' It is all snake oil.
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