Treatment Abuse, Behavior Modification, Thought Reform > World Wide Association of Specialty Programs and Schools (WWASPS)
Way more kids praise programs than attack them, why is that?
Whooter:
--- Quote from: "Ursus" ---Yes'm. Let's have some FACTS (as opposed to perceptions) collected by that survey.... :D
"Of the 49% of students who reported that they planned to be sober following graduation, 5% have been completely sober since they graduated..."[/list]
"Despite the consensus that drug use in graduates has declined, since graduation, 64% have used marijuana, 12% mushrooms, 12% cocaine, 12% ecstasy, 6% acid, and 6% abused prescription drugs."[/list]
Self-reporting is a dream, ain't it?? Life is all in the way ya "interpret it," facts be damned.
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I am happy to see that you have accepted the study and are quoting from it, Ursus, it’s a big step. There is a little information for everyone if you bother to read it and as you can see these kids have returned to a completely normal range after graduating, well except the 5% who haven't had a beer yet, but they will catch up.
So much for the brainwashing theory, the study sort of tosses that out the window. I would have guessed that “every” kid would have gone back and at least tested the waters a bit. The 5% who didn’t try a drink were probably living in a dry town or had no access to alcohol at all. My daughter went back to her old friends after a few weeks of being home but found she had matured past their life style and found friends closer to her own goals of going to college. So she partied initially too, but quickly found her own way and kept it in moderation. If these kids were brainwashed they would have all stayed sober for 3 to 5 years until it wore off.
Other discussion of interest:
“Parents also found the following areas to have shown additional improvements (p ? .001): trouble making behavior at school, sexual promiscuity, desire to hurt oneself, the impact of alcohol use on daily life, the frequency of drug use, and the impact of drug use on daily life. Students had similar impressions of their own improvement. The frequency of smoking and alcohol use decreased (p ? .05) and the impact of alcohol on daily life also improved (p ? .01). Students found the following additional areas to have shown improvement (p ? .001): getting into trouble at school, skipping school, sexual promiscuity, frequency of drug use, and the impact of drug use on daily life. Twelve percent of ASR students had attempted suicide prior to treatment, and none reported attempting suicide after treatment.”
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Ursus:
--- Quote from: "Whooter" ---I am happy to see that you have accepted the study and are quoting from it, Ursus, it's a big step.
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You are jumping to conclusions again. I guess the power points yet to be addressed today were beckoning with greater immediacy than logic ever can.
DannyB II:
--- Quote from: "Ursus" ---Yes'm. Let's have some FACTS (as opposed to perceptions) collected by that survey.... :D
"Of the 49% of students who reported that they planned to be sober following graduation, 5% have been completely sober since they graduated..."[/list]
"Despite the consensus that drug use in graduates has declined, since graduation, 64% have used marijuana, 12% mushrooms, 12% cocaine, 12% ecstasy, 6% acid, and 6% abused prescription drugs."[/list]
Self-reporting is a dream, ain't it?? Life is all in the way ya "interpret it," facts be damned.
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So here we go again, Ursus you drank after you left Hyde, I also bet you smoked a joint. Everyone here on this Site practically, smokes pot and drinks. What is your point, you are drifting off again.
Ursus if you just stop and realize that you lost this debate and submit, then you can move on. ;D
Anne Bonney:
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Danny, its another fornits sham,I have been around enough lawyers to know this guy isnt one.
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You've GOT to be kidding, right?? You've been around here long enough to know about the suit against Virgil Miller Newton/Straight/KIDS and to know that Phil won and won big.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GAzfla_LUE0
Phil Elberg and KIDS
Phil Elberg is the veteran Newark, New Jersey, lawyer who took on Miller Newton and his controversial KIDS “tough love” teen rehab program. He has been a lawyer for 35 years with a specialty in medical malpractice. Elberg went to court against Miller Newton starting in the late 1990s, representing several former KIDS clients who had experienced horrific abuses. His suits have won $15 million (U.S.) in judgments and settlements. The U.S. Congress’s Government Accountability Office has cited his work in an investigation of American tough love programs.
http://www.teenhelpindustry.info/
Ex-employees sue boot camp accused of abuse
By STEVE ROCK
The Kansas City Star
June 3, 2008
Five former employees of a northwest Missouri boot camp where a child died in 2004 have sued for alleged malicious prosecution.
The workers had been sued by Thayer Learning Center in a case that eventually was dropped. In that lawsuit, Thayer alleged that the ex-employees made false statements and false allegations to law-enforcement officials and others about activities at the camp.
In the lawsuit filed Monday, the former employees allege that Thayer sued them to keep them and others quiet, describing the lawsuit against them as an attempt “to keep the truth about their facility secret.”
The workers’ lawsuit also accuses Thayer of suing them “to hide from the appropriate authorities and parents the fact that … the usual methods used by (Thayer) did indeed and actually constitute child abuse.”
The case filed in Caldwell County Circuit Court names Thayer Learning Center and the facility’s owner, Willa Bundy, as defendants.
Bundy and an attorney for the center did not return phone calls Monday and Tuesday.
Allegations of child abuse at Thayer — about 50 miles northeast of Kansas City in Kidder — came to light after Roberto Reyes, 15, died in November 2004, less than two weeks after enrolling.
No charges were filed in connection with Roberto’s death, but the FBI recently conducted a preliminary investigation and sent its findings to the U.S. Department of Justice. Officials there are reviewing the case.
Thayer officials have said that allegations of abuse were “ludicrous and false.”
In its 2003 lawsuit, Thayer alleged that the workers made false statements to third parties about the center “physically abusing and harming its students” and accused them of violating written contracts by contacting parents, government agencies and law-enforcement officials to discuss specific students and school operations.
Those contacts, Thayer alleged, forced the school to “have to continually … deny these false allegations” and caused the loss of potential students. Thayer dropped its lawsuit last month.
In their lawsuit, the ex-employees said contractual agreements could not be used to prevent individuals from reporting abuse. They accuse Thayer of “covering up the fact that they had an unqualified and unsupervised staff engaging in child abuse.”
Phil Elberg, a New Jersey attorney representing the plaintiffs, alleged by phone that Thayer’s 2003 lawsuit “was clearly intended to scare people into shutting up.”
The plaintiffs did not specify a dollar amount but alleged that the center’s “outrageous” behavior “showed an evil motive” and therefore entitles them to exemplary damages in addition to actual damages, attorneys’ fees and “such other relief as the court deems just and proper.”
Elberg said the plaintiffs — Nanette Burge and Candessa Williams of Gallatin, Mo.; Linda Glenn and Janet Traylor of Hamilton, Mo., and Regina Burge of Jamesport, Mo. — would not comment.
A 2005 investigation by The Kansas City Star showed that, between April 2003 and October 2005, at least seven people reported more than a dozen allegations of child abuse at Thayer to the Caldwell County Sheriff’s Office. A state investigative report obtained by The Star said “it appears that those responsible for the safety … of Roberto Reyes failed to recognize his medical distress and to provide access to appropriate medical evaluation and/or treatment.”
In a wrongful-death lawsuit filed in 2005, Roberto’s parents alleged that the teenager would have lived had he received competent medical care in a timely manner and that he was dragged, hit, placed in solitary confinement and “forced to lay in his own excrement for extended periods” of time.
In court filings, Thayer denied those and other allegations. The two sides settled in March 2006 for slightly more than $1 million.
To reach Steve Rock, call 816-234-4338 or send e-mail to srock@kcstar.com.
--- Quote --- First of all lawyers like to discuss anything and everything, ad nauseum. Secondly every lawyer I have ever known likes to sit down at the table eyeball to eyeball and have a discussion. They don’t freak out because someone at the table isn't wearing a name tag and then start talking out of the sides of their mouth. If he really is who he says he is then he is probably retired and has lost his edge. He could have sent an assistant to get the names of the outstanding studies.
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Wow......you're even more of a prick than I originally thought. Phil is indeed an attorney and a damned good one at that. Take your foot out of your mouth long enough to realize that you are waaaaaayyyyyyy out of your league here. He asked for the "studies" that YOU were referring to and refused to supply. Why is that so difficult for you to do? Are you afraid it wouldn't hold up to scrutiny from a real attorney??
Whooter:
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Wow......you're even more of a prick than I originally thought. Phil is indeed an attorney and a damned good one at that. Take your foot out of your mouth long enough to realize that you are waaaaaayyyyyyy out of your league here. He asked for the "studies" that YOU were referring to and refused to supply. Why is that so difficult for you to do? Are you afraid it wouldn't hold up to scrutiny from a real attorney??
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Of course I know who he is. I have seen Mitt Romney posting on here also, Miller Newton and few dead guys. But my gut tells me that Mitt is a tad busy to be posting here .......... I know lawyers are typically direct with people. If he had wanted studies from "me" he would have asked "me" for them. He wouldnt have pretended there was someone else in the room or maybe he would have sent his assistant.
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