Mount Bachelor Academy Shut Down

[blombrowski]

The absolute nerve of a child welfare agency in actually caring about the welfare of children instead of the welfare of the program.  If Aspen wants to put their stamp of approval on the discredited MBA curriculum so be it.  As for the parents who sue, if parents go on record saying the knew that their child was being humiliated and they approved of it, the state should bring charges of child abuse against those parents as well (or refer to the appropriate state agency to bring charges).

This isn't 1998, this isn't even 2004, and this certainly isn't Utah or Montana.  Aspen better learn the new rules of the game quick or they might just go the way of CEDU and WWASP.

[Whooter]

Really?
Why would an un-redacted copy of the DHS report so integral their defense? Do even they view it to be impossible for them to defend their position on the merits of what they’re calling their curriculum (Lifesteps Est-cetera) without it devolving into defense by character assassination of each of the hundred or so witnesses?

The defense needs to know if the information is accurate or not.  There could be people on the list who misrepresented themselves or didn’t attend MBA etc.  If someone were taking you to court for punching them and suing you for $100,000, yet the court didn’t give you these people names, it would make it very difficult to defend yourself.

Think about it.

[Anonymous]

Actually, the right to see one's accusers in court is a matter for the criminal justice system, which is exactly where this belongs, actually.

[Whooter]

Actually, the right to see one's accusers in court is a matter for the criminal justice system, which is exactly where this belongs, actually.

Thank you, those are the words I was looking for.

[Inculcated]

From the sixth amendment of the United States Constitution: In all criminal prosecutions the accused… shall enjoy the right to be confronted by their accusers.
The Aspen’s Goebbels; shill troll enjoys tangential analogies so… When AHP (makers of Phen-fen) were in court it was not relevant for them to try and defame the individual claimants, rather the defense had to center its case on the veracity of those claims of damages and potential for harm as caused by their product.

As it stands child abuse cases like this are first addressed in civil court. Un-redacted DHS reports are not necessary for Aspen/CHC to disagree with the OHS finding that their treatment methods were abusive in general.
"MBA violated OAR 413-215-0076(3) regarding behavior management in that MBA required students to engage in an "emotional growth" curriculum, included but not limited to the Lifesteps program that was punitive, humiliating, degrading, and traumatizing. "(among others)

Until this becomes a criminal case the right to an attempt to malign their accusers should be withheld from them, but sadly when defending the indefensible plenty of attorneys will rack up the billable hours in an attempt to do just that.

[Whooter]

From the sixth amendment of the United States Constitution: In all criminal prosecutions the accused… shall enjoy the right to be confronted by their accusers.
The Aspen’s Goebbels; shill troll enjoys tangential analogies so… When AHP (makers of Phen-fen) were in court it was not relevant for them to try and defame the individual claimants, rather the defense had to center its case on the veracity of those claims of damages and potential for harm as caused by their product.

As it stands child abuse cases like this are first addressed in civil court. Un-redacted DHS reports are not necessary for Aspen/CHC to disagree with the OHS finding that their treatment methods were abusive in general.
"MBA violated OAR 413-215-0076(3) regarding behavior management in that MBA required students to engage in an "emotional growth" curriculum, included but not limited to the Lifesteps program that was punitive, humiliating, degrading, and traumatizing. "(among others)

Until this becomes a criminal case the right to an attempt to malign their accusers should be withheld from them, but sadly when defending the indefensible plenty of attorneys will rack up the billable hours in an attempt to do just that.

I think you would feel differently if it were you that was accused and trying to defend yourself and they only allowed you to see part of the complaint.

[Whooter]

Until this becomes a criminal case the right to an attempt to malign their accusers should be withheld from them, but sadly when defending the indefensible plenty of attorneys will rack up the billable hours in an attempt to do just that.

Well they have reason to check out the people who are accusing them.  It has already been established that people are willing to lie openly to discredit a program.  Look at AARC for example, where a graduate was caught lieing about them.  Businesses have a right to defend themselves just like individuals do.  If you had been sued by people lieing about you in the past and you were able to prove they were lieing wouldnt you want to have at least the name of your accuser so that you could defend yourself if it happened again?

[psy]

Until this becomes a criminal case the right to an attempt to malign their accusers should be withheld from them, but sadly when defending the indefensible plenty of attorneys will rack up the billable hours in an attempt to do just that.

Well they have reason to check out the people who are accusing them.  It has already been established that people are willing to lie openly to discredit a program.

Please stop pretending like things have been established that have no been.  Cite your sources.

Look at AARC for example, where a graduate was caught lieing about them.

Looking to see evidence of that.  Source?

[Whooter]

Until this becomes a criminal case the right to an attempt to malign their accusers should be withheld from them, but sadly when defending the indefensible plenty of attorneys will rack up the billable hours in an attempt to do just that.

Well they have reason to check out the people who are accusing them.  It has already been established that people are willing to lie openly to discredit a program.

Please stop pretending like things have been established that have no been.  Cite your sources.

Look at AARC for example, where a graduate was caught lieing about them.

Looking to see evidence of that.  Source?

http://www.calgarysun.com/news/alberta/ ... tml#medium

[Anonymous]

lol... so program sues patient to shut her up. as far as I know this is hardly proof of anything save maybe what assholes AARC were and probably always will be.

I call TURKEY, johnny boy!!  :rofl:

[Inculcated]

Until this becomes a criminal case the right to an attempt to malign their accusers should be withheld from them, but sadly when defending the indefensible plenty of attorneys will rack up the billable hours in an attempt to do just that.

Well they have reason to check out the people who are accusing them.  It has already been established that people are willing to lie openly to discredit a program.

Please stop pretending like things have been established that have no been.  Cite your sources.

Look at AARC for example, where a graduate was caught lieing about them.

Looking to see evidence of that.  Source?

http://www.calgarysun.com/news/alberta/ ... tml#medium

Lunn said she was forced to retract the allegation in writing or face being demoted … taking even longer to get out of the program.

What I see there from that link, is a program silencing their accuser by pressuring her to retract her statement with threats.
This does not bode well for the children transferred from MBA to other Aspen programs. It may well be out of concern for the possibility such witness intimidation that the DHS has only provided redacted copies of statements.

[Whooter]

lol... so program sues patient to shut her up. as far as I know this is hardly proof of anything save maybe what assholes AARC were and probably always will be.

I call TURKEY, johnny boy!!  :rofl:

So what we agree to is that if someone accuses someone of something we need to wait until the outcome of the trial to determine which side is telling the truth.  I was just mking the same assumptions that many here make that once someone accuses someone else then they are automatically guilty.

So if we read that a person accuses a program of abuse we can assume that this person is just making it up to hurt the program.

[Anonymous]

aspen will have more difficulty harassing and intimidating winesses than AARC did.

[Whooter]

aspen will have more difficulty harassing and intimidating winesses than AARC did.

I agree and the exposure AARC is getting from their lawsuit aginst this Lunn girl will make people think twice before making up stories.   It will force people on both sides to be more honest.

[Anonymous]

I think the exposure they’re getting may also result in people thinking twice before sending their kid there.