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Psy was definitely not abused.
« on: October 04, 2009, 12:03:20 PM »
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Psy was definitely not kidnapped , brainwashed or even abused. He actually voluntarily signed himself in as an adult to a rehab program for adults from 18-27. He could of left at any time, as any adult who signs themselves into rehab can do. They might pressure you a bit to stay, that's their job after all, but in the end everybody knows if you are an adult you can leave whenever you want. Psy never went to a program as an adolescent, he was brought on as fornits admin because he wanted to fit in with a group of victims, and had the necessary technical skills to maintain the forum.

Is this true Psy?
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Re: Psy was definitely not abused.
« Reply #1 on: October 04, 2009, 12:20:40 PM »
You know, the best way to find out is to go to benchmark and ask some of the kids on the sly. Don't be asking for permission or they'll give you a few higher stage kids or trusted ones. Go cruise the ghetto motels of Redlands and sooner or later you'll find a Benchmark kid. Hell, Psy and I found 3 of them in motels for various crimes against the state. I remember one of the hotels being so sketchy looking that I refused to sleep on the bed and opted for the floor.

I can tell you that Psy probably wasn't physically abused. I do know they took their best shot at screwing with his head. The very time I saw Benchmark I can remember expressing my disbelief that it was a program. The place looks like an apartment complex and definitely not a program. I looked over at Psy who was driving and noticed that he was tensed up, freaked out, and not happy to be near the place again. Take a look at the lawsuit papers and you'll see where he talks about the 'friendship' seminar to understand more about the mental abuse that goes on at such programs.

Psy when to benchmark under his own steam as the school promised him and his family all sorts of crapola. They failed to deliver, they later on tried to sue Psy into silence, and they lost hard.

Not everyone is drug to a program kicking and screaming. Not everyone is given a good taste of the face to dirt restraints, not everyone is forced to lay face down on the concrete all day, and nor is everyone shoved into a solitary confinement room called the hobbit. Psy went to the program as an adult, and he did have the choice to leave.

He was given the choice to live homeless on the streets of Redlands California. As his parents weren't up to speed yet on what Benchmark was all about they were under the impression that the best recourse to dealing with their child was threats of being cut off. In the end, his parents saw through the charade of benchmark and they took him home.

Now two things to consider, the very first night we were in Benchmark both Psy and I witnessed a gang fight at a drive through. We were sitting in the drive through getting dinner when it happened right behind us. Further, young men and women who go homeless in Redlands have very few services to draw upon. In a conversation with a member of a local charity group that we approached it became obvious that the homeless in Redlands are shit out of luck for support.

Going homeless in Redlands is a dangerous proposition for someone with no street sense. Psy's a nice kid and fairly smart, but in the end he would have been easy meat for the nearest predator. The city is in the middle of a major drug trafficking corridor and is known for its violence.

I've had my ups and downs with Psy over the years. However, despite our semi-annual headbutting contests I do appreciate the fact that he is around to keep things running. Doing his job as the admin of this more or less un-moderated forum is a thankless task. Doesn't really matter what he does or why he does it as someone is always going to complain.
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Re: Psy was definitely not abused.
« Reply #2 on: October 04, 2009, 12:46:36 PM »
He must have went to Benchmark for a good reason, yes?
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Re: Psy was definitely not abused.
« Reply #3 on: October 04, 2009, 12:57:42 PM »
Quote from: "He must have went to Benchmark for a good reason, yes?"
He must have went to Benchmark for a good reason, yes?
Not necessarily. Kids have been sent to programs for things like not doing their homework. And some of these places advertise as regular boarding schools.
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Re: Psy was definitely not abused.
« Reply #4 on: October 04, 2009, 01:01:18 PM »
Why was did he voluntarily go to Benchmark?  He was not abducted or a detainee.
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Re: Psy was definitely not abused.
« Reply #5 on: October 04, 2009, 01:46:24 PM »
"detainee" means a person who is detained in a youth training centre or youth residential centre within the meaning of the Children and Young Persons Act 1989
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Re: Psy was definitely not abused.
« Reply #6 on: October 04, 2009, 02:16:43 PM »
Quote from: "Che Gookin"
I can tell you that Psy probably wasn't physically abused.

Many times it is far more damaging to witness abuse.
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Re: Psy was definitely not abused.
« Reply #7 on: October 04, 2009, 03:01:12 PM »
Michael Crawford aka. "Psy" was mentally unfit.  I saw his files.
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Re: Psy was definitely not abused.
« Reply #8 on: October 04, 2009, 03:30:35 PM »
Recent poster relating to Michael Crawford,

Whoever you are stay up on this site.   I have started a foundation called the Anti-Defamtion society.  We will be contacting all programs for contributions.  This Che will start using extreme profanity referring to beastiality, homosexuality, and other pornographic topics.  He is a prime target he has made accusations of torture, kidnapping, beastiality and child abuse against many companies.  Please write down our name and look for us we will be seeking contributions.  There are a number of attorney's that will take this site, crawford and whoever else to Federal Court.

Now Mr. Porno mouth tell us what program you were in and how "close" are you to Crawford.  Let this poster really see the filth that you can spray the area with.
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Re: Psy was definitely not abused.
« Reply #9 on: October 04, 2009, 03:38:05 PM »
Quote from: "Michael Crawford mentally unfit."
Michael Crawford aka. "Psy" was mentally unfit.  I saw his files.

Are you interested in helping our society, stay posted, we will have a web site soon Center for Anti Defamation of Professional Youth Workers

We are going to get a seasoned civil rights attorney and who ever donates a certain amount will have access to our strategies and tactics to shut down Michael Crawford's little Fornit Defamers and their overall revenge insurgency against some good folks.

This dirty mouthed little punk Che was afraid of the big bad streets of Redlands, because deep down he is a boob and  yet he uses profanity that his name sake Che Guevara would consider childish.  Keep your conversation going with him he will finally loose it and start talking about having sex with farm animals.  Ursus thinks he cute and admires his cruddy little mouth.
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Re: Psy was definitely not abused.
« Reply #10 on: October 04, 2009, 04:12:33 PM »
Quote from: "He must have went to Benchmark for a good reason, yes?"
He must have went to Benchmark for a good reason, yes?

That implies you are aware teens get sent to programs for bad reasons, yes?
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Re: Psy was definitely not abused.
« Reply #11 on: October 04, 2009, 05:23:47 PM »
Quote from: "Michael Crawford mentally unfit."
Michael Crawford aka. "Psy" was mentally unfit.  I saw his files.
Either you're lying in which case you've defamed both me and Benchmark with actual malice (and they sue people, believe you me)... Or you're telling the truth (partially) and Benchmark did something very very unethical (sharing my records).  I'm partial to the prior because the records don't paint me as crazy.  If anything they paint the program as crazy.  I had to fight to get them back in full.  They weren't exactly compliant until I got a lawyer involved.

As to the rest of the accusations, Che covered most of it (thanks, btw), though I might add that benchmark denies students their rightful property, identification, and money if they choose to leave.  We saw, and recorded on video tape, them doing this to another student.  As Che has noted, the area isn't exactly stellar anyway and there aren't any homeless shelters either...  And all the other allegations have been answered elsewhere.

And to mister anti defamation whoever. Many have tried to bring legal action against this site and have failed.  Go right ahead and be the next boob to embarrass yourself.  This site itself is not responsible and never will be for the postings of the forum's individual users.  Google has the exact same policy for the exact same reason.  Read communications decency act section 230 or check out google's explanation:

http://www.google.com/support/blogger/b ... swer=60835

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We do not remove allegedly defamatory content from http://www.google.com or any other U.S. dot com domains.

US domain sites such as Google.com, Blogger, Page Creator, etc. are sites regulated only by U.S. law. Given this fact, and pursuant to Section 230(c) of the Communications Decency Act, we do not remove allegedly defamatory material from U.S. domains. The only exception to this rule is if the material has been found to be defamatory by a court, as evidenced by a court order.

The language of Section 230(c) of the Communications Decency Act fundamentally states that Internet services like Google.com, Blogger and many of Google’s other services are republishers and not the publisher of that content. Therefore, these sites are not held liable for any allegedly defamatory, offensive or harassing content published on the site.

tl;dr: we provide a service.  If people misuse those services it's on them, not us.

And Ginger and myself have been sued as well, personally.  In her case her representation was free.  In my case my representation took the case on a contingent fee basis and took the plaintiff to the cleaners using anti-SLAPP legislation.  If you want to try that approach and lose yourself a whole lot of money, be my guest.  Threats don't work against me, antigen, or mostly anybody who cares about this issue enough to post.  All it does is make you look desperate, petty, and frankly, a bit unstable.  Mostly anything I've said I've said in general terms about programs in general.  I don't claim to have inside knowledge about any particular program unless I actually do.  To the extent my opinions piss you off, I suggest you man up, grow a sack, and reread the constitution.
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Re: Psy was definitely not abused.
« Reply #12 on: October 04, 2009, 05:32:12 PM »
Psy has now confirmed that he
 
*Voluntarily entered a treatment program as an adult*

*Could of left at any time*

*Was not abused*

I guess that is why Psy also considers AA, religion, and any other voluntary organization adults participate in to be cults and abusive as well. Only the extreme of the extreme misguided person could possibly hold this illogical view.

The proof that Benchmark is not abusive also comes from the fact Psy and Che went to Benchmark with the intent to lure kids away. They even offered them money, help and a place to stay. How many of these 'oppressed detainees' took their offer? Not one, not a single one. Ironically they actually went and proved the opposite of their intent, kind of funny really.
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Re: Psy was definitely not abused.
« Reply #13 on: October 04, 2009, 05:47:19 PM »
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Psy has now confirmed that he
 
*Voluntarily entered a treatment program as an adult*

*Could of left at any time*

*Was not abused*

I didn't confirm anything.  I just didn't address certain topics, such as the above, which were already addressed elsewhere in great depth.  Use the search function or add site:fornits.com to a google query.

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I guess that is why Psy also considers AA, religion, and any other voluntary organization adults participate in to be cults and abusive as well.

No.  I don't consider any of those things to be inherently cults, though there are some AA chapters that have crossed the line into full blown cults, there are churches that have gone over that line, and there are programs for adults that have crossed that line (most famously, Synanon).  Any group of almost any sort has the potential to become a cult. I use Margaret singer's criteria to apply the word.  She required three things:

1: origin of the group
2: use of thought reform (read robert lifton about this)
3: structure of the group (like an inverted T)

Many programs fit those three criteria and so I would label them cults.  Is every program a cult?  no.  To say that would be prejudiced.  Are the vast vast majority of programs for teens in the US descended from Synanon, do they use thought reform, and are they authoritarian?  Yes.

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The proof that Benchmark is not abusive also comes from the fact Psy and Che went to Benchmark with the intent to lure kids away. They even offered them money, help and a place to stay. How many of these 'oppressed detainees' took their offer? Not one, not a single one. Ironically they actually went and proved the opposite of their intent, kind of funny really.

That's because most in the program proper don't understand the system is (IMO) rigged against them in such a way that they'll be there until their parents run out of money.  The ones in the program proper were also told many lies about us. They were told that we were on drugs.  They were told that I had been denied a security clearance.  They were told that I was fired from my job.  They were told that we were lying and would not help them.  Those are just some of the practical reasons.  I could go on for pages on why... without even mentioning thought reform, which was a big part of it, imo.

One kid did decide to go, though, and the program went to almost comical lengths to prevent him from succeeding.  Read the benchmark ylf hilarity ensues thread that documents it.  It has much video content and so forth explaining all this.
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Re: Psy was definitely not abused.
« Reply #14 on: October 04, 2009, 05:49:07 PM »
Psy,

Way to go...kick guests' teeth in.

By the way, CALO does the exact same thing.  They deny individuals their therapy records as well and keep the money to boot, they cite confidentiality or non payment of last months tuition or some garbage like that.  When pushed, Ken even likes to yell at the parents and make threats.  Seems a recurring theme.  2.5 hours of "therapy" for $10K a month, deny parents what is legally theirs, pretend to deliver trust of care, free slave labor...use the kids as landscapers and janitors....What a joke.  They told us the children would have 24/7 access to professional therapists.  I guess that meant 2.5 hrs of a licensed therapist telling us "how does that make YOU feel"  and 21.5 hrs of some uneducated kid making $9.00/hr for the rest.  JOKE JOKE BS BS BS and one more JOKE.  + more BS.

Guest is some seriously damaged goods.  But it's good to know they exist and good to have a defense against them, the truth and the law, and if that doesn't work, a big stick when necessary.

CG
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