Ellen Behren's Industry Study Funded by AEG

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Yes, traditional residential treatment not including Aspen or any other programs.  30 to 90 day stays are up to 80% effective.  Programs run up to 2 years, cost fifty times more and are not nearly as effective based on one biased survey by Aspen marketing.

Hmmm.  I didnt see "Traditional"... nor "30-90 days".. nor was cost included as a differential.  Seems you are trying to change things here.  Its always good to go back to the quote we are talking about,  Lets take another look:

Whooter also keeps saying "up to 80%" success, but that is not concluded by Behrens, it's concluded by other researchers using longitudinal clinical studies of residential treatment and has nothing whatsoever to do with Aspen programs or Behrens.

So just to clear it up…..other researchers conclude up to 80% success using longitudinal Clinical studies of residential Treatment.



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- Whooter take a break from blogging -  :rocker:  :rocker:  :rocker:  :rocker:  :rocker:

[elangraduate]

Yes, traditional residential treatment not including Aspen or any other programs.  30 to 90 day stays are up to 80% effective.  Programs run up to 2 years, cost fifty times more and are not nearly as effective based on one biased survey by Aspen marketing.

Hmmm.  I didnt see "Traditional"... nor "30-90 days".. nor was cost included as a differential.  Seems you are trying to change things here.  Its always good to go back to the quote we are talking about,  Lets take another look:

Whooter also keeps saying "up to 80%" success, but that is not concluded by Behrens, it's concluded by other researchers using longitudinal clinical studies of residential treatment and has nothing whatsoever to do with Aspen programs or Behrens.

So just to clear it up…..other researchers conclude up to 80% success using longitudinal Clinical studies of residential Treatment.



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- Whooter take a break from blogging -  :rocker:  :rocker:  :rocker:  :rocker:  :rocker:

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[Dr. Acula]

Yes, traditional residential treatment not including Aspen or any other programs.  30 to 90 day stays are up to 80% effective.  Programs run up to 2 years, cost fifty times more and are not nearly as effective based on one biased survey by Aspen marketing.

Hmmm.  I didnt see "Traditional"... nor "30-90 days".. nor was cost included as a differential.  Seems you are trying to change things here.  Its always good to go back to the quote we are talking about,  Lets take another look:

Whooter also keeps saying "up to 80%" success, but that is not concluded by Behrens, it's concluded by other researchers using longitudinal clinical studies of residential treatment and has nothing whatsoever to do with Aspen programs or Behrens.

So just to clear it up…..other researchers conclude up to 80% success using longitudinal Clinical studies of residential Treatment.

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- Whooter take a break from blogging -  :rocker:  :rocker:  :rocker:  :rocker:  :rocker:

[Dr. Acula]

Yes, traditional residential treatment not including Aspen or any other programs.  30 to 90 day stays are up to 80% effective.  Programs run up to 2 years, cost fifty times more and are not nearly as effective based on one biased survey by Aspen marketing.

Hmmm.  I didnt see "Traditional"... nor "30-90 days".. nor was cost included as a differential.  Seems you are trying to change things here.  Its always good to go back to the quote we are talking about,  Lets take another look:

Whooter also keeps saying "up to 80%" success, but that is not concluded by Behrens, it's concluded by other researchers using longitudinal clinical studies of residential treatment and has nothing whatsoever to do with Aspen programs or Behrens.

So just to clear it up…..other researchers conclude up to 80% success using longitudinal Clinical studies of residential Treatment.

 :poison:  :heartbreak:  :whip:  :cry:  :smashcomp:

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- Whooter take a break from blogging -  :rocker:  :rocker:  :rocker:  :rocker:  :rocker:

:shamrock:  :jamin:  :spam:

[Troll Control]

Yes, traditional residential treatment not including Aspen or any other programs.  30 to 90 day stays are up to 80% effective.  Programs run up to 2 years, cost fifty times more and are not nearly as effective based on one biased survey by Aspen marketing.

Hmmm.  I didnt see "Traditional"... nor "30-90 days".. nor was cost included as a differential.  Seems you are trying to change things here.  Its always good to go back to the quote we are talking about,  Lets take another look:

Whooter also keeps saying "up to 80%" success, but that is not concluded by Behrens, it's concluded by other researchers using longitudinal clinical studies of residential treatment and has nothing whatsoever to do with Aspen programs or Behrens.

So just to clear it up…..other researchers conclude up to 80% success using longitudinal Clinical studies of residential Treatment.



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- Whooter take a break from blogging -  :rocker:  :rocker:  :rocker:  :rocker:  :rocker:

Yeah, he should take a break and learn to read.  Those studies were cited by Behrens and in order to actually check the reference out, you'd need to look it up in th biblio and then read the source.  Whooter is just stupid and lazy.

[Whooter]

Yeah, he should take a break and learn to read.  Those studies were cited by Behrens and in order to actually check the reference out, you'd need to look it up in th biblio and then read the source.  Whooter is just stupid and lazy.

Hmmm, Stupid and lazy.  Lets take another look at DJ's own post which started this:

Whooter also keeps saying "up to 80%" success, but that is not concluded by Behrens, it's concluded by other researchers using longitudinal clinical studies of residential treatment and has nothing whatsoever to do with Aspen programs or Behrens.

So just to clear it up, DJ summarizes that other researchers conclude up to 80% success using longitudinal Clinical studies of residential Treatment.



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[Troll Control]

AND...  Whooter is too stupid and lazy to read those studies.  Probably doesn't understand the bibliography is at the end of the study and the sources can be viewed with just a bit of effort.  He needs to be spoonfed due to his stupidity and laziness.

The part I corrected Whooter about was the types of treatment studied by those researchers which can be found in their work not the Behrens work.  Forgive him his stupidity and laziness.  He'll eventually catch on.

[Whooter]

AND...  Whooter is too stupid and lazy to read those studies.  Probably doesn't understand the bibliography is at the end of the study and the sources can be viewed with just a bit of effort.  He needs to be spoonfed due to his stupidity and laziness.

The part I corrected Whooter about was the types of treatment studied by those researchers which can be found in their work not the Behrens work.  Forgive him his stupidity and laziness.  He'll eventually catch on.

Oh No!!  I am stupid and lazy again?

Lets look at "Their work" as DJ puts it:

Whooter also keeps saying "up to 80%" success, but that is not concluded by Behrens, it's concluded by other researchers using longitudinal clinical studies of residential treatment and has nothing whatsoever to do with Aspen programs or Behrens.

So just to clear it up, DJ summarizes that other researchers (Their work) conclude up to 80% success using longitudinal Clinical studies of residential Treatment.

Hmmmmm... DJ I think we are beginning to agree here.



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[Troll Control]

We just have to keep in mind that Behrens looked at Aspen programs and Aspen has argued in court that they don't provide any treatment.  

Only treatment facilities were studied by the researchers cited by Behrens.  Aspen could not have been included since they provide no treatment and therefore Whooter's fallacious logic that Aspen falls under the other research fails the smell test.  Whooter is trying mislead people into believing that other researchers studied programs, but they didn't.  Behrens did and even her biased survey work concludes a much, much lower "success rate" than traditional treatment which is up to 80% effective.

Plus, if you look at those studies, they reference 30 to 90 day inpatient treatment facilities.  Aspen is a 2 year behavior modification program with no treatment.

I only wonder why Whooter has posted probably more than 100 times that the Aspen programs have an 80% success rate when no data suggest that at all.  Probably because of his fiduciary interest in Aspen.

[elangraduate]

WHOOTER STILL DEFENDING PROGRAMS THAT RAPE, BEAT, MURDER AND TORTURE CHILDREN?

[Troll Control]

WHOOTER STILL DEFENDING PROGRAMS THAT RAPE, BEAT, MURDER AND TORTURE CHILDREN?

Yes, he is.  And he's claiming they're "effective" too.  He does have a fiduciary interest in Aspen Education though, so for him it's just about the money.  Dead kids are just part of his "window of loss" perspective.  You have to keep this in mind otherwise what he says doesn't make any sense.  Once you realize it's all about the money for Whooter, it becomes clear why he says these terrible things and calls children "products" while comparing them to McDonalds hamburgers.

[Whooter]

We just have to keep in mind that Behrens looked at Aspen programs and Aspen has argued in court that they don't provide any treatment.  

Only treatment facilities were studied by the researchers cited by Behrens.  Aspen could not have been included since they provide no treatment and therefore Whooter's fallacious logic that Aspen falls under the other research fails the smell test.  Whooter is trying mislead people into believing that other researchers studied programs, but they didn't.  Behrens did and even her biased survey work concludes a much, much lower "success rate" than traditional treatment which is up to 80% effective.

Plus, if you look at those studies, they reference 30 to 90 day inpatient treatment facilities.  Aspen is a 2 year behavior modification program with no treatment.

I only wonder why Whooter has posted probably more than 100 times that the Aspen programs have an 80% success rate when no data suggest that at all.  Probably because of his fiduciary interest in Aspen.

Oh No!!!  Aspen doesnt provide any treatment at all?  Why didnt someone tell us?  lol  How did all these kids get better then?  Were they all brain washed?  Its been decades and the kids are still doing well went to college raising families, having reunions with their peer groups... what are they going to do when the brainwashing wears off?
Someone should send an email to the APA!!


DJ, I think you single handedly debunked the entire study



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[Dr. Acula]

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[elangraduate]

WHOOTER FUCK YOU

[elangraduate]

WHOOTER IS NOT A PROGRAM PARENT, HE'S John Reuben  FROM STICC....  HE USES LINGO DESPERATE PARENTS WOULD USE PRIOR TO SENDING THEIR CHILD TO A PROGRAM....   SO, WHEN PARENTS VIEW THIS WEBSITE, THEY'LL FALL HOOK LINE AND SINKER FOR WHOOTER'S POOR ADVICE....