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Whooter:
I think we all expected this response once the studies started to get done and released. We all knew that the programs are very effective but now that the proof is on the table the scramble in on to discredit them, but they wont go away dispite the denials. Lets take a look at a few of the results again:
Independent Long-Term Outcome Study Results
Conducted by: Canyon Research & Consulting, Inc
Mental health issues including stress, depression and anxiety are significantly improved. OBH treatment helped reduce stress, depression and anxiety in teens, especially in those with more extreme levels, with continued reduction shown at the six-month follow-up assessment.
Substance abuse and dependence is significantly reduced, with results lasting through the 12-month follow-up. Students experienced substance-related pathology within the clinically significant and elevated range pretreatment, but symptoms fell within a normal range upon graduation. Most importantly, these results were sustained through the three and 12 month follow-up assessments.
psy:
Thank you, Guest, for the very informative post, once and for all putting this issue to bed. Your post has been bookmarked and filed under "Fornits troll answers". Stick around. Kickass research that was.
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Whooter:
--- Quote from: "psy" ---Thank you, Guest, for the very informative post, once and for all putting this issue to bed. Your post has been bookmarked and filed under "Fornits troll answers". Stick around. Kickass research that was.
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--- End quote ---
You welcome, I expect that as more and more studies come out showing the effectiveness of some of these programs the more resistance we will see here on fornits. Originally many were asking for just studies, then independent studies, then long term indpendent studies. Now that the studies are independent long term the critisicim move torwrds the authors and demand for longer term. Each time a study emerges the criteria for acceptance here on fornits changes lol.
Heart studies are done by doctors who have a background and knowledge in the area. I dont think we could find a drug study or medical study performed by someone who knew nothing about the area they are testing or lacked a background.
These studies should be completed by people who have a background and knowledge in the area.
If the results showed that the programs were ineffective then they would be accepted at face value as are the various stories we read about here. But they are not.
There was an independent study which was published in a journal a few years back and that was rejected by fornits regulars also because it showed the schools to be effective.
Whooter:
Look, Guest, you are partually right, but you need to realize that any type of study is going to be a threat to the way of thinking here. You could keep throwing them on the table and they will find a way to discredit them in their minds so they can stay with the belief that all programs are alike and they are all abusive.
Without that fornits ceases to exist. Studies of any kind can never be accepted here period, never will.
A survivors description of the program is equally biased because they were sent there by force and therefore will never admit it was good for them. The only unbiased account would be from a child who attended through their own free will. You can tell these accounts because they tell it like it is..ie. the food was okay, some of the staff was good others were not so good. We all know the drill, read the stories and they are written off as drinking the koolaid.
So it will always be the same stock answers, stock thinking as long as forints exists because it is the only way it can. But dont be discouraged there are many people who come here to read and you can reach them so dont give up.
Whooter:
Question, who is suppose to pay for the cost of the testing? Drug companies develop new drugs and need to finance all the testing themselves (that’s part of what makes them so expensive). All the other industries hire outside firms to do the testing or studies or they do it themselves.
There are no free testing firms that I am aware of. Anyone know who would pay to have another companies testing done?
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