Treatment Abuse, Behavior Modification, Thought Reform > Aspen Education Group
Ellen Behren's Industry Study Funded by AEG
Whooter:
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Are there any other groups anyone can suggest which would be help translate what Mark witnessed (fraud) by Aspen Education Group into a criminal or civil action?
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This would be a good idea and would force many of these organizations like heal, issacorp,cafety and fornits to face the truth about what these studies have uncovered. If there were a civil suit then the studies could no longer be ignored by these people.
It amazes me why they chose to ignore information like this. Their position is getting weaker and weaker as the industry grows yet they stay on their present course. Why not try to get out and help some of these kids and their families. It is a much more satisfying than trying to deceive people and tear them down.
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Whooter:
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Anonymous:
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--- Quote from: "Mark DeGroot" ---For the record, I did NOT write the above. It appears the poster is so weak of mind and evidence he or she feels the need to impersonate me to try to prove a point. Obviously, this person has conceded that I have credibility and he/she doesn't, or he/she wouldn't be trying to convince people he/she is me. Just goes to show this person has no credibility.
I worked for Canyon and it's an "inside business" creating marketing materials for programs, mostly Aspen programs. Most Aspen programs don't even offer any treatment and all of the ones Canyon looked into provided no therapy or treatment plan, which was the concern of legitimate researchers on our staff. It quickly became clear that this exercise was purely for marketing and sales, not science, so roughly 75% of Canyon employees resigned due to this ethical problem.
It didn't stop Canyon from collecting AEG's money, plus "royalties" for every kid sent to Aspen where the intake revealed the parents relied on this information. Canyon is essentially making referral fees or lasting royalties based on Aspen enrollment, so of course Canyon will make Aspen look successful, even if the data don't suggest that at all.
Ellen was the director of an Aspen program and failed to disclose tht fact to us or to critics of the study. It's a massive red flag in research science.
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thank you, mark. the person impersonating you is believed to be John d Reuben. He is quite certainly the industry troll thewho. The level of his dishonesty in impersonation of you are very indicative of the conning, cultic nature of the organizations he represents.
Please post in the future. I recommend getting a Log in and avatar so thewho cannot impersonate you as easily.
Better yet, contact the following groups with what you witnessed. What Aspen is doing is illegal--and they need to forward your info to the proper authorities, and coordinate some kind of action.
http://www.isaccorp.org/
http://www.heal-online.org/
http://www.cafety.org/
fornits.com is a forum for those tortured by Aspen Education Group, CEDU, SYNANON and like gulag torture cults. Many die from the torture they are subjected to at these organizations, both on site, and afterward.
Please contact these groups and speak for us, the ones suffering from the effects of torture / brainwashing, and the ones no longer living because of it?
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Yes, Please. Do. And don't waste your time with your impersonator, The Who, Aspen Education Group propagandizer.
Whooter:
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--- Quote ---MARK: PLEASE CONTACT ISAC, HEAL, AND CAFETY.
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I tried all of those organizations and none of them were interested in talking to me. It seems they only wanted to hear negative things about the industry and disregarded any facts that I presented. Then I come here to fornits and feel I am getting pushed out by all the trolling.
Why is this? Why not have a valid discussion?
Mark DeGroot
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I have tried them too in the past and they work only off of negative propaganda towards the industry. Facts are not important to them, just a spin that will serve their purpose. You can try again but you will get the same response.
try another castle:
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--- Quote ---MARK: PLEASE CONTACT ISAC, HEAL, AND CAFETY.
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I tried all of those organizations and none of them were interested in talking to me. It seems they only wanted to hear negative things about the industry and disregarded any facts that I presented. Then I come here to fornits and feel I am getting pushed out by all the trolling.
Why is this? Why not have a valid discussion?
Mark DeGroot
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I have tried them too in the past and they work only off of negative propaganda towards the industry. Facts are not important to them, just a spin that will serve their purpose. You can try again but you will get the same response.
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I think one of the reasons why I just don't get into deeper debates with industry people on this forum as much as I used to is because it kind of feels the same way as watching some stupid 24 hour news channel (pick any of them, it's not just fox) that makes you want to yell at the television because of how blatant the hypocrisy and double standards are.. and then you remember that they can't hear you, because they are in a picture box.
Probably why I limit myself to more relevant and hard-hitting material such as project runway, monsters inside me, and whatever is on the history channel.
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