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Ellen Behren's Industry Study Funded by AEG
Whooter:
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--- Quote from: "Dysfunction Junction" ---
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--- Quote from: "funny study" --- ... a sampling bias could have potentially have had a large
impact on the results of this study, the excuses I heard not to participate had to do with
behavioral breakdowns as often as they had to do with too many after school
commitments and other measures of success ...
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So basically out of 190 families scheduled to graduate, only 125 families graduated (65 did not). So right there, there are 65 failures. Out of those 125 who graduated, 25 could not be contacted. That leaves us with 25 unknown, 65 failures. Out of the 100 left, only 30 responded. Those 30 reported well due to sampling bias. That leaves 30 successes, 25 unknown, 65 failures. Out of the 70 remaining, half were still having "issues". The other half I'll give you generously as "successes". That leaves 65 successes (only 30 of which responded to a survey), 25 unknown, and 100 failures. (out of 190 scheduled to graduate). Hardly stellar, even if the numbers are accurate.
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Great breakdown.
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:tup: :notworthy:
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The details to support DJ's numbers can be found here:
Outcome Study
He may have left out the link by accident.
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Dysfunction Junction:
--- Quote from: "Dysfunction Junction" ---This work used two self-report surveys, the YSR (Youth Self Report), and the CBCL (Child Behavior Check List), each of which consist of a ten minute checklist. These checklists were given to the kids (YSF) and parents (CBCL) while the kids were still in the program which is poor methodology to say the least, especially considering many of these kids were abused and neglected in the programs and self-preservation would motivate them to say anything to get out and the parents had no routine ability to observe and report on their child's behavior.
These facts are readily admitted by the researchers. For example, they state that youth and parents have tendencies to underreport problems. That is, the kids "fake it to get out," and the parents need to justify the expenditure.
--- Quote from: "Behrens Study" ---...parents are often confronted by clinical staff if they discharge an adolescent against program advice, they, along with their adolescent, may have a conscious or unconscious motivation to underreport problems.
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The majority of subjects were in programs only six months, that is, pulled early against program protestations.
Additionally, the YSR and CBCL are both data acquisition tools that are exempt from continuing review under 45 CFR 46 101(b), so these findings have never been reviewed or analyzed.
Considering that several of these facilities have also been charged with child abuse and neglect, the survey results are unreliable. This is likely why this study has never been reviewed or published except as a marketing tool for Aspen Education.
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Whooter:
--- Quote from: "Dysfunction Junction" ---
--- Quote from: "Dysfunction Junction" ---This work used two self-report surveys, the YSR (Youth Self Report), and the CBCL (Child Behavior Check List), each of which consist of a ten minute checklist. These checklists were given to the kids (YSF) and parents (CBCL) while the kids were still in the program which is poor methodology to say the least, especially considering many of these kids were abused and neglected in the programs and self-preservation would motivate them to say anything to get out and the parents had no routine ability to observe and report on their child's behavior.
These facts are readily admitted by the researchers. For example, they state that youth and parents have tendencies to underreport problems. That is, the kids "fake it to get out," and the parents need to justify the expenditure.
--- Quote from: "Behrens Study" ---...parents are often confronted by clinical staff if they discharge an adolescent against program advice, they, along with their adolescent, may have a conscious or unconscious motivation to underreport problems.
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The majority of subjects were in programs only six months, that is, pulled early against program protestations.
Additionally, the YSR and CBCL are both data acquisition tools that are exempt from continuing review under 45 CFR 46 101(b), so these findings have never been reviewed or analyzed.
Considering that several of these facilities have also been charged with child abuse and neglect, the survey results are unreliable. This is likely why this study has never been reviewed or published except as a marketing tool for Aspen Education.
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The study itself tells a different story. For the facts you can click on the link below and read for yourself:
Outcome Study
He may have left out the link by accident.
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Dysfunction Junction:
--- Quote ---parents are often confronted by clinical staff if they discharge an adolescent against program advice, they, along with their adolescent, may have a conscious or unconscious motivation to underreport problems.
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This is vebatim from Behrens. So it's obvious this is a "fact" according to Whooter. Problems are underreported and the samlple is biased and not random. Big problems for this work. Hence it has never been peer reviewed. It's crap.
Whooter:
--- Quote from: "Dysfunction Junction" ---
--- Quote ---parents are often confronted by clinical staff if they discharge an adolescent against program advice, they, along with their adolescent, may have a conscious or unconscious motivation to underreport problems.
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This is vebatim from Behrens. So it's obvious this is a "fact" according to Whooter. Problems are underreported and the samlple is biased and not random. Big problems for this work. Hence it has never been peer reviewed. It's crap.
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You made a great point DJ. Here are the details of what DJ is talking about:
For the facts you can click on the link below and read for yourself:
Outcome Study
DJ may have left out the link by accident.
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