Treatment Abuse, Behavior Modification, Thought Reform > Aspen Education Group
Ellen Behren's Industry Study Funded by AEG
Anonymous:
Because he has a monetary interest in defending the "programs" he gets money for referring kids to. Easy: always follow the money :nods:
Whooter:
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--- Quote from: "Mark DeGroot" ---For the record, I did NOT write the above. It appears the poster is so weak of mind and evidence he or she feels the need to impersonate me to try to prove a point. Obviously, this person has conceded that I have credibility and he/she doesn't, or he/she wouldn't be trying to convince people he/she is me. Just goes to show this person has no credibility.
I worked for Canyon and it's an "inside business" creating marketing materials for programs, mostly Aspen programs. Most Aspen programs don't even offer any treatment and all of the ones Canyon looked into provided no therapy or treatment plan, which was the concern of legitimate researchers on our staff. It quickly became clear that this exercise was purely for marketing and sales, not science, so roughly 75% of Canyon employees resigned due to this ethical problem.
It didn't stop Canyon from collecting AEG's money, plus "royalties" for every kid sent to Aspen where the intake revealed the parents relied on this information. Canyon is essentially making referral fees or lasting royalties based on Aspen enrollment, so of course Canyon will make Aspen look successful, even if the data don't suggest that at all.
Ellen was the director of an Aspen program and failed to disclose tht fact to us or to critics of the study. It's a massive red flag in research science.
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I would just like to say that it is very difficult to have a conversation here. The above post is not mine. All the research done at canyon has been nothing but professional and thorough. It seems people don’t like to hear the truth here on fornits.
Why are you keeping your heads in the sand like this? Why not move forward and listen to different points of view and solicit open thinking? I would think many here could contribute to change rather than obstruct it.
The studies will always have a positive effect whether they are good or bad because they provide information and insight for those faced with making critical decisions for their families. I hope in time you will all come to see the benefits of research on the industry and how it determines future direction.
Anonymous:
--- Quote from: "Mark DeGroot" ---For the record, I did NOT write the above. It appears the poster is so weak of mind and evidence he or she feels the need to impersonate me to try to prove a point. Obviously, this person has conceded that I have credibility and he/she doesn't, or he/she wouldn't be trying to convince people he/she is me. Just goes to show this person has no credibility.
I worked for Canyon and it's an "inside business" creating marketing materials for programs, mostly Aspen programs. Most Aspen programs don't even offer any treatment and all of the ones Canyon looked into provided no therapy or treatment plan, which was the concern of legitimate researchers on our staff. It quickly became clear that this exercise was purely for marketing and sales, not science, so roughly 75% of Canyon employees resigned due to this ethical problem.
It didn't stop Canyon from collecting AEG's money, plus "royalties" for every kid sent to Aspen where the intake revealed the parents relied on this information. Canyon is essentially making referral fees or lasting royalties based on Aspen enrollment, so of course Canyon will make Aspen look successful, even if the data don't suggest that at all.
Ellen was the director of an Aspen program and failed to disclose tht fact to us or to critics of the study. It's a massive red flag in research science.
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thank you, mark. the person impersonating you is believed to be John d Reuben. He is quite certainly the industry troll thewho. The level of his dishonesty in impersonation of you are very indicative of the conning, cultic nature of the organizations he represents.
Please post in the future. I recommend getting a Log in and avatar so thewho cannot impersonate you as easily.
Better yet, contact the following groups with what you witnessed. What Aspen is doing is illegal--and they need to forward your info to the proper authorities, and coordinate some kind of action.
http://www.isaccorp.org/
http://www.heal-online.org/
http://www.cafety.org/
fornits.com is a forum for those tortured by Aspen Education Group, CEDU, SYNANON and like gulag torture cults. Many die from the torture they are subjected to at these organizations, both on site, and afterward.
Please contact these groups and speak for us, the ones suffering from the effects of torture / brainwashing, and the ones no longer living because of it.
Whooter:
I would just like to say that it is very difficult to have a conversation here. The above post is not mine. All the research done at canyon has been nothing but professional and thorough. It seems people don’t like to hear the truth here on fornits.
Why are you keeping your heads in the sand like this? Why not move forward and listen to different points of view and solicit open thinking? I would think many here could contribute to change rather than obstruct it.
The studies will always have a positive effect whether they are good or bad because they provide information and insight for those faced with making critical decisions for their families. I hope in time you will all come to see the benefits of research on the industry and how it determines future direction.Mark DeGroot.
Thanks for the user name suggestion, By the way, I have contacted all the groups you suggested and they were not interested in anything I had to say. They only wanted information which was negative towards the industry and even tried to twist my words and refused to take any factual info I provided.
Why is everyone like this? Why do you screen all the information here?
Anonymous:
--- Quote from: "Guest" ---
--- Quote from: "Mark DeGroot" ---For the record, I did NOT write the above. It appears the poster is so weak of mind and evidence he or she feels the need to impersonate me to try to prove a point. Obviously, this person has conceded that I have credibility and he/she doesn't, or he/she wouldn't be trying to convince people he/she is me. Just goes to show this person has no credibility.
I worked for Canyon and it's an "inside business" creating marketing materials for programs, mostly Aspen programs. Most Aspen programs don't even offer any treatment and all of the ones Canyon looked into provided no therapy or treatment plan, which was the concern of legitimate researchers on our staff. It quickly became clear that this exercise was purely for marketing and sales, not science, so roughly 75% of Canyon employees resigned due to this ethical problem.
It didn't stop Canyon from collecting AEG's money, plus "royalties" for every kid sent to Aspen where the intake revealed the parents relied on this information. Canyon is essentially making referral fees or lasting royalties based on Aspen enrollment, so of course Canyon will make Aspen look successful, even if the data don't suggest that at all.
Ellen was the director of an Aspen program and failed to disclose tht fact to us or to critics of the study. It's a massive red flag in research science.
--- End quote ---
thank you, mark. the person impersonating you is believed to be John d Reuben. He is quite certainly the industry troll thewho. The level of his dishonesty in impersonation of you are very indicative of the conning, cultic nature of the organizations he represents.
Please post in the future. I recommend getting a Log in and avatar so thewho cannot impersonate you as easily.
Better yet, contact the following groups with what you witnessed. What Aspen is doing is illegal--and they need to forward your info to the proper authorities, and coordinate some kind of action.
http://www.isaccorp.org/
http://www.heal-online.org/
http://www.cafety.org/
fornits.com is a forum for those tortured by Aspen Education Group, CEDU, SYNANON and like gulag torture cults. Many die from the torture they are subjected to at these organizations, both on site, and afterward.
Please contact these groups and speak for us, the ones suffering from the effects of torture / brainwashing, and the ones no longer living because of it.
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Are there any other groups anyone can suggest which would be help translate what Mark witnessed (fraud) by Aspen Education Group into a criminal or civil action?
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