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Ellen Behren's Industry Study Funded by AEG
Troll Control:
--- Quote ---31% reported improvement that exceeded the 2 standard deviation cut-off for reliable change (>28 raw score points) and 50% reported improvement below the cut-off for reliable change.
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Direct quote from the summary Whooter keeps linking to. Same link. He just doesn't want anyone to see that he's not reporting statistically relevent items from the paper. He's cherry-picking bits and pieces without context, as the above shows.
Ask him about the phase two findings that were complete in 2007. Why were they not published? Hmmm...?
Whooter:
--- Quote from: "Dysfunction Junction" ---
--- Quote ---31% reported improvement that exceeded the 2 standard deviation cut-off for reliable change (>28 raw score points) and 50% reported improvement below the cut-off for reliable change.
--- End quote ---
--- End quote ---
Here is the whole quote:
First, reliable change and recovery were assessed using the male adolescents’ report of symptoms
on the YSR. Of the 155 males who completed the YSR at admission and discharge, 81% of
adolescent males reported some amount or degree of symptom reduction. Of that, 31% reported
improvement that exceeded the 2 standard deviation cut-off for reliable change (>28 raw score
points) and 50% reported improvement below the cut-off for reliable change (<28 raw score
points).
so what this means is 81% of the kids reported some degree of symptom reduction... of these 81% , 31% reported improvement that exceeded the 2 standard deviation... 2 standard deviations is 95.5%... so 31% of the kids did extremely well and exceeded expectations. 50% reported improvement below the 2 standard deviation mark (which is below 95.5%).
50% + 31% = 81%
So 81% of the kids reported a reduction in symptoms and of these 31% did extremely well, 50% did as was expected.
...
Troll Control:
No, 31% showed "reliable change" and 50% did not.
Got that 2007 follow up for us yet? I'd like to see how well they did after a year.
Whooter:
Here is the whole quote:
First, reliable change and recovery were assessed using the male adolescents’ report of symptoms
on the YSR. Of the 155 males who completed the YSR at admission and discharge, 81% of
adolescent males reported some amount or degree of symptom reduction. Of that, 31% reported
improvement that exceeded the 2 standard deviation cut-off for reliable change (>28 raw score
points) and 50% reported improvement below the cut-off for reliable change (<28 raw score
points).
so what this means is 81% of the kids reported some degree of symptom reduction... of these 81% , 31% reported improvement that exceeded the 2 standard deviation... 2 standard deviations is 95.5%... so 31% of the kids did extremely well and exceeded expectations. 50% reported improvement below the 2 standard deviation mark (which is below 95.5%).
50% + 31% = 81%
So 81% of the kids reported a reduction in symptoms and of these 31% did extremely well, 50% did as was expected.
...
Troll Control:
--- Quote ---Of that, 31% reported
improvement that exceeded the 2 standard deviation cut-off for reliable change
--- End quote ---
"Reliable change" here is defined by two SD's above the mean. 31% met that standard. 50% did not meet reliable change standards because they were too near the mean. And this is after the data was scrubbed of in-program failures.
What was the reliable change rate at one year post-program? That would be included in the 2007 follow up. Do you have that for us?
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