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Ellen Behren's Industry Study Funded by AEG
Anonymous:
--- Quote from: "funny study" --- ... a sampling bias could have potentially have had a large
impact on the results of this study, the excuses I heard not to participate had to do with
behavioral breakdowns as often as they had to do with too many after school
commitments and other measures of success ...
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So basically out of 190 families scheduled to graduate, only 125 families graduated (65 did not). So right there, there are 65 failures. Out of those 125 who graduated, 25 could not be contacted. That leaves us with 25 unknown, 65 failures. Out of the 100 left, only 30 responded. Those 30 reported well due to sampling bias. That leaves 30 successes, 25 unknown, 65 failures. Out of the 70 remaining, half were still having "issues". The other half I'll give you generously as "successes". That leaves 65 successes (only 30 of which responded to a survey), 25 unknown, and 100 failures. (out of 190 scheduled to graduate). Hardly stellar, even if the numbers are accurate.
Troll Control:
Very interesting. This marketing material gets pretty flimsy when you start to examine the data. They leave out anything that might look negative. This is not the way studies are done.
Whooter:
--- Quote from: "Guest" ---
--- Quote from: "funny study" --- ... a sampling bias could have potentially have had a large
impact on the results of this study, the excuses I heard not to participate had to do with
behavioral breakdowns as often as they had to do with too many after school
commitments and other measures of success ...
--- End quote ---
So basically out of 190 families scheduled to graduate, only 125 families graduated (65 did not). So right there, there are 65 failures. Out of those 125 who graduated, 25 could not be contacted. That leaves us with 25 unknown, 65 failures. Out of the 100 left, only 30 responded. Those 30 reported well due to sampling bias. That leaves 30 successes, 25 unknown, 65 failures. Out of the 70 remaining, half were still having "issues". The other half I'll give you generously as "successes". That leaves 65 successes (only 30 of which responded to a survey), 25 unknown, and 100 failures. (out of 190 scheduled to graduate). Hardly stellar, even if the numbers are accurate.
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Thanks everyone, there is no better way to valid a study then to start using it as a reference for discussion. Lets all take a closer look, shall we?
One hundred percent of parents and students that participated in this study said that they would recommend ASR to others. In addition, all participants were asked to rate how much impact ASR had on the different aspects of the child’s present behavior. With 1 being an extremely negative influence, and 7 being an extremely positive influence, the average parental rating across psychopathology scales was a 5.4 and across positive adaptation scales a 5.3. The average student ratings were likewise high, being both a 5.6 on psychopathology and positive adaptation scales.
Troll Control:
--- Quote from: "Mark DeGroot" ---
--- Quote from: "James Drilding" ---Very interesting. This marketing material gets pretty flimsy when you start to examine the data. They leave out anything that might look negative. This is not the way studies are done.
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Yes, I worked for Canyon Research during this study and we were all told that the results had to be positive. Many people quit because, as scientists, that's not the way we behave. We should be data-driven, not trying to support predrawn conclusions. This study was rigged before it ever started.
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Whooter:
--- Quote from: "Guest" ---
Thanks everyone, there is no better way to valid a study then to start using it as a reference for discussion. Lets all take a closer look, shall we?
One hundred percent of parents and students that participated in this study said that they would recommend ASR to others. In addition, all participants were asked to rate how much impact ASR had on the different aspects of the child’s present behavior. With 1 being an extremely negative influence, and 7 being an extremely positive influence, the average parental rating across psychopathology scales was a 5.4 and across positive adaptation scales a 5.3. The average student ratings were likewise high, being both a 5.6 on psychopathology and positive adaptation scales.
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If the study was as useless as you say then you wouldnt be putting so much energy into dismissing it...lol
A few more results:
Substance abuse and dependence is significantly reduced, with results lasting through the 12-month follow-up. Students experienced substance-related pathology within the clinically significant and elevated range pretreatment, but symptoms fell within a normal range upon graduation. Most importantly, these results were sustained through the three and 12 month follow-up assessments.
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