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Aspen Education Group deceptively markets short term invalid
Whooter:
--- Quote from: "RMA Survivor" ---A healthy teenager going out of his way to look in to a girls dormitory. Sounds like a normal teen to me. Maybe he wasn't there long enough to get so messed up he couldn't just be normal. Yeah, he went to juvenile hall, but who cares? I got caught having sex and got to stay. Breaking the contract with the program? What the fuck is that? The agreements and rules are always one-sided anyway. Maybe because they ban anything related to sex and relationships with the opposite sex at these places, his hormones finally got the better of him. What a crime for a teen to commit.
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The courts did not agree with you. There are other kids in the school to consider. Matthew broke into the office area. This is beyond a normal teen prank, it was the final straw on a long list of problems with this kid.
RMA Survivor:
What do you know about this kid and his problems? It was clearly a prank done by a healthy and curious teenager in the middle of puberty and a highly restrictive school that bans social contact on a deep level with members of the opposite sex. Did he break the law? Yes. And nobody cares. I shoplifted 147 Star Wars figures back in 1977 and got caught. Did I break the law? Yes. Does anyone care? No. It's just something kids do. You can't really add it on to some imaginary list of troubles this kid has. It certainly doesn't measure up to issues like severe drug use, being molested, depression.
The issue is whether Aspen Group are treatment programs and whether unlicensed staff are giving professional level counseling and treatment to teens, which is against the law. As usual, you prefer to take the conversation away from the original topic and focus on the most banal, insignificant details. You seem to be unable to stay focused on the actual issues or to even understand the issues being discussed, so why don't you sit back and just watch as the adults in the room talk, okay junior?
Whooter:
--- Quote from: "RMA Survivor" ---What do you know about this kid and his problems? It was clearly a prank done by a healthy and curious teenager in the middle of puberty and a highly restrictive school that bans social contact on a deep level with members of the opposite sex. Did he break the law? Yes. And nobody cares. I shoplifted 147 Star Wars figures back in 1977 and got caught. Did I break the law? Yes. Does anyone care? No. It's just something kids do. You can't really add it on to some imaginary list of troubles this kid has. It certainly doesn't measure up to issues like severe drug use, being molested, depression.
The issue is whether Aspen Group are treatment programs and whether unlicensed staff are giving professional level counseling and treatment to teens, which is against the law. As usual, you prefer to take the conversation away from the original topic and focus on the most banal, insignificant details. You seem to be unable to stay focused on the actual issues or to even understand the issues being discussed, so why don't you sit back and just watch as the adults in the room talk, okay junior?
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Why do you want to control the topic all the time. I didnt bring this up. The child was clearly disruptive, broke into the office area and as a last resort the school notified the police and had him removed. He got kicked out and went to jail. You are the one trying to make it look like it was the schools fault. Then the parents wanted their money back and got pissed and tried to sue. Of course they tried to add on as many charges as they could think of to make their case. It is obviously money driven and a shake down. Everyone here knows that, you just cant admit it.
RMA Survivor:
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--- Quote from: "RMA Survivor" ---What do you know about this kid and his problems? It was clearly a prank done by a healthy and curious teenager in the middle of puberty and a highly restrictive school that bans social contact on a deep level with members of the opposite sex. Did he break the law? Yes. And nobody cares. I shoplifted 147 Star Wars figures back in 1977 and got caught. Did I break the law? Yes. Does anyone care? No. It's just something kids do. You can't really add it on to some imaginary list of troubles this kid has. It certainly doesn't measure up to issues like severe drug use, being molested, depression.
The issue is whether Aspen Group are treatment programs and whether unlicensed staff are giving professional level counseling and treatment to teens, which is against the law. As usual, you prefer to take the conversation away from the original topic and focus on the most banal, insignificant details. You seem to be unable to stay focused on the actual issues or to even understand the issues being discussed, so why don't you sit back and just watch as the adults in the room talk, okay junior?
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Why do you want to control the topic all the time. I didnt bring this up. The child was clearly disruptive, broke into the office area and as a last resort the school notified the police and had him removed. He got kicked out and went to jail. You are the one trying to make it look like it was the schools fault. Then the parents wanted their money back and got pissed and tried to sue. Of course they tried to add on as many charges as they could think of to make their case. It is obviously money driven and a shake down. Everyone here knows that, you just cant admit it.
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There you go again with the circle-logic. And now trying to simply reverse my charge against you of arguing the most insignificant details as you are once more. I said the child broke the law. You are now repeating this without need. I said he went to jail. You are repeating this as well. I never said once that it was the schools fault, so now you are making a fallacious argument because I never said it. As to whether the parents got pissed and tried to sue, that appears obvious, so why say so? And that they tried to add on ass many charges as they could think of to make their case, most people do? But again, you'd be too dumb to know that. That is is obviously a money-driven shakedown is only likely to be partially true. That they are hoping to protect their son seems likely another motivation. Perhaps also that they have legitimate concerns that their son received unlicensed therapy and treatment which they were led to believe would not be the case due to potentially false advertising and misleading statements they believe they were given by Aspen Group, but you are not insightful enough to come to these kind of conclusions on your own. As to "Everyone knowing this"? I don't find, based on other peoples posts in this thread and others, that I can agree with you.
See you again in four minutes...
Whooter:
Exactly, so the parents never had a problem with the school or the help and therapy he was getting until after the school kicked the kid out. then they tried to build as much of a case as they can to get their money back by saying he didnt receive the correct therapy. Saying they broke HIPAA laws by telling the police he broke into the office and spied on other people etc.... all this was added on to try to gain money. So we positively know the kid wasnt abused in the slightest or they would have added that on if there was even a hint of him missing a meal or doing push ups... see what I am saying.
So yeah they are going to look into the HIPAA laws and the contract they signed and the therapy he received but it all stems from the kid getting kicked out not from poor services being rendered. If they can find some dirt somewhere maybe they can hold the school ransom for the cash they are out of.
Big difference, but you dont seem to be able to see it because it goes against your preconceived judgement against programs
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