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Aspen Education Group lawyers..AEG not mental health program
Troll Control:
Well, a "treatment team" would probably provide treatment, wouldn't it? Why does Aspen call it a "treatment team" and then deny in open court that they provide any treatment and never intended to do so?
I guess they can call it whatever they want, but it doesn't change the fact that they do not offer any treatment, as they argued in court.
Did they lie to the judge or lie to the parents? Both statements (that they DO offer treatment and that they DON'T offer treatment) can't be true. Either way, Aspen is either committing fraud or perjury.
Whooter:
--- Quote from: "Guest" ---Well, a "treatment team" would probably provide treatment, wouldn't it? Why does Aspen call it a "treatment team" and then deny in open court that they provide any treatment and never intended to do so?
I guess they can call it whatever they want, but it doesn't change the fact that they do not offer any treatment, as they argued in court.
Did they lie to the judge or lie to the parents? Both statements (that they DO offer treatment and that they DON'T offer treatment) can't be true. Either way, Aspen is either committing fraud or perjury.
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Looks like you are wrong. Here is a link to the court records that Ursus posted. Look at the bottom of the page #2:
2 The parties seem to agree that although Trudy Godat was not licenced, one member of Matthew Pence's "treatment team" was a licenced therapist.
Court Records
I dont know what Matthews lawyer was thinking. They got killed on this one. They all agreed he was being seen by a therapist who was licensed after the evidence was brought forward.
Troll Control:
--- Quote from: "Guest" ---Well, a "treatment team" would probably provide treatment, wouldn't it? Why does Aspen call it a "treatment team" and then deny in open court that they provide any treatment and never intended to do so?
I guess they can call it whatever they want, but it doesn't change the fact that they do not offer any treatment, as they argued in court.
Did they lie to the judge or lie to the parents? Both statements (that they DO offer treatment and that they DON'T offer treatment) can't be true. Either way, Aspen is either committing fraud or perjury.
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I see your point here. You can call a cat a dog if you want, but it's still a cat, right? Aspen calls them "treatment teams" but also admits in court that they "provide no treatment."
Interestingly, right on Northstar's website they also say all counselors are therapists, but in court they said the opposite - that none of the counselors are therapists. So they lied in court or lied in their advertising. One or the other.
Whooter:
--- Quote from: "Guest" ---
--- Quote from: "Guest" ---Well, a "treatment team" would probably provide treatment, wouldn't it? Why does Aspen call it a "treatment team" and then deny in open court that they provide any treatment and never intended to do so?
I guess they can call it whatever they want, but it doesn't change the fact that they do not offer any treatment, as they argued in court.
Did they lie to the judge or lie to the parents? Both statements (that they DO offer treatment and that they DON'T offer treatment) can't be true. Either way, Aspen is either committing fraud or perjury.
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I see your point here. You can call a cat a dog if you want, but it's still a cat, right? Aspen calls them "treatment teams" but also admits in court that they "provide no treatment."
Interestingly, right on Northstar's website they also say all counselors are therapists, but in court they said the opposite - that none of the counselors are therapists. So they lied in court or lied in their advertising. One or the other.
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Well I like to stick with the court records... hey and I'll even throw in a link for ya:
This was an interesting point:
The court agrees with defendants (Aspen Education Group) that Harless's alleged disclosure of Matthew Pence's confessions to police was not an extreme transgression of the bounds of socially tolerable conduct. Matthew Pence's IIED claim therefore fails as a matter of law.
Court Records
2 The parties seem to agree that although Trudy Godat was not licenced, one member of Matthew Pence's "treatment team" was a licenced therapist.
Anonymous:
--- Quote from: "John Reuben" ---
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--- Quote from: "RMA Survivor" ---They do very good at claiming 99% success and getting you to believe such hype. But being gullible is not a crime even if you are guilty of it.
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As long as the check clears and the kid turns out okay.... everything else is gravy!!!
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The kid is now in prison based on what his "treatment team" reported to the police. Maybe he's out by now.
What would be interesting to get is Aspen's expert testifying that it did not supply a mental health or drug abuse treatment program, that AEG is not covered by HIPPA because it does not provide any sort of treatment, and that it never promised to.
Ursus, are you interested in filing an FIA demand?
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At the trial all parties agreed that Aspen Education group provided a licensed therapist for Matthew Pence during his stay at NorthStar.
The parties seem to agree that ...... one member of Matthew Pence's "treatment team" was a licenced therapist.
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No. All parties agree there was a licensed therapist at Northstar but that the "therapist" Pence SAW, "Trudy Godat," was unlicensed.
--- Quote from: "Pence v aspen education Group-- who killed Mathew Reuben" ---
Plaintiffs complain that Matthew Pence was seen by an unlicensed therapist, Trudy Godat, when Matthew's depression significantly worsened, his personal psychiatrist was not contacted, an appointment with a different psychiatrist was scheduled at a future date, Matthew did not receive supervision and a safe environment, Matthew was instead allowed to roam the premises and gain access to the roof, offices and computers, Matthew's confessions were turned over to police, and Matthew was expelled, arrested and indicted.
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Aspen's successful defense was that since it was not a treatment program for mental or drug abuse disorders, and never promised to conform to any medical standard for a treatment center, it was not liable.
Aspen was also successful in arguing that Hardess was not under the supervision of a licensed therapist, was not medical personnel, though "director" of Pences "treatment," and was thusly free to turn Pence’s confessions over to the police.
You’re purposely obtuse. Perhaps if you respected the seriousness of this issue, you wouldn't have killed your son.[/quote]
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