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RMA Survivor:
Yes it has. And it has happened at all of these programs. The person taking your blood pressure is a nurse or medical assistant. They are trained and licensed. You really are incredibly dumb not to know this. Do you actually research any of the drivel you spew here or do you just make it up as you go along? I would say get a life, but I now find I have to say, "Get a fucking intellect!"
Anonymous:
--- Quote from: "RMA Survivor" ---The court said many things, but people are taking them out of context.
Those who are not licensed, are not covered, thus they are allowed to make police reports and give information whereas someone who is licensed might not be able to do so because of patient/doctor confidentiality. I say might, because a therapist is required by law in many cases, such as expressions or suicide by the patient, to in fact call the police and report this. However the case is explaining that those who are not licensed are not covered by this, thus the fact North Star called the police was legal and therefore the lawsuit claim invalid.
Second, the case is suggesting that although Matthew had an actual licensed therapist, and thus receiving treatment, North Star was indeed offering treatment. What the case did not cover is whether the other staff, who are not licensed, are allowed to offer treatment or counseling under the law. It also did not cover whether those other staff who are not licensed health professionals were providing treatment or counseling. We however know that they do provide it and this is not legal. But it does not appear to have been discussed or ruled upon specifically in the court case.
HIPAA rules cover entire entities and not individuals thus by having one person covered by the rules, the entity (North Star) had to be covered. Whether the other staff who are not licensed or trained are covered is obvious by virtue of North Star being covered for their one licensed therapist. And if North Star, or even Aspen as a whole give their staff training in HIPAA, that's cool. However I highly doubt they actually follow those guidelines.
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It's even worse than that.
Here’s the deal, Aspen was sued over the disclosure of Mathew’s confessions from a couple of roads of address:
1) The Pences argued Harless / mathew had a confidential patient/ therapist relationship because harless was offering therapeutic care to Mathew
Aspen argued she was not a therapist, and was not offering therapeutic treatment
The judge ruled that whatever she was offering, because she was not employed by a licensed therapist, she didn't breach of the confidential patient / therapist relationship.
2) The Pences argued that because Aspen Group was a healthcare provider and harless was offering therapeutic treatment, Mathew’s confession was privileged health information.
Aspen argued that it was NOT a healthcare provider, and Mathew was NOT being provided with treatment, by either Harless or the program in general, in any legal sense of the term.
The judge ruled that it could not reach summary conclusion as to whether Aspen was a healthcare provider, as to whether Harless was offering therapeutic treatment, but, either way, because Aspen personnel took HIPPA classes, that suggests Aspen may be covered under HIPPA. He ruled that this issue would have to be settled through further legal measures.
Apsen’s defense for EVERYTHING it was accused of was that it was not offering Mathew treatment, and never promised to.
Anonymous:
--- Quote from: "RMA Survivor" ---Yes it has. And it has happened at all of these programs. The person taking your blood pressure is a nurse or medical assistant. They are trained and licensed. You really are incredibly dumb not to know this. Do you actually research any of the drivel you spew here or do you just make it up as you go along? I would say get a life, but I now find I have to say, "Get a fucking intellect!"
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Most people think theit is John Reuben, working (possibly hired) by Aspen to PR spin on this forum. Its very creepy--that much is sure.
RMA Survivor:
I will read it again, but I didn't quite get that same impression. I think Aspen was saying that they did have at least one licensed mental health practitioner on site, who I also gathered did provide counseling once a week to students. Aspen was merely arguing that the specific person who provided information to the police was not licensed and therefore was not covered by the rules for confidentiality and also that this person in no way offered any treatment or therapy, despite having a title that suggested she did.
The court was correct, in my opinion in stating that she was not covered because she was not licensed. But, the court is not clear on whether she was performing therapy without a license or not and this is what they were planning to address later in the case. That Matthew received treatment from at least one licensed professional on his "team" I don't think is in dispute. But if he received any treatment for mental health, counseling or whatever from any unlicensed staff, this would be illegal, likely a breach of contract, and might end up supporting earlier arguments about a breach of contract and a violation of patient/doctor confidentiality. Though this last part, having been ruled upon already, may not come up again.
But the Pence family need only win on one or two points to succeed in their case. And with Aspen already admitting the staff were not licensed or trained, and that they were not providing treatment, if it can be shown that they were in fact providing treatment, I think Aspen is screwed.
RMA Survivor:
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--- Quote from: "RMA Survivor" ---Yes it has. And it has happened at all of these programs. The person taking your blood pressure is a nurse or medical assistant. They are trained and licensed. You really are incredibly dumb not to know this. Do you actually research any of the drivel you spew here or do you just make it up as you go along? I would say get a life, but I now find I have to say, "Get a fucking intellect!"
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Most people think theit is John Reuben, working (possibly hired) by Aspen to PR spin on this forum. Its very creepy--that much is sure.
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You are really now suggesting that people think I am John Reuben? With the name Rocky Mountain Academy Survivor?
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