Treatment Abuse, Behavior Modification, Thought Reform > Aspen Education Group
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Whooter:
--- Quote from: "Guest" ---Whooter's "interpretation" of HIPAA is so astoundingly ignorant, one must wonder if he recently took a sever blow to the head. Let me educate you, Whooter. HIPAA covers facilities, not individuals. And any individual who works for the covered entity, from the janitor to the director is forbidden from disclosing anything that happens with any client of that facility. Get it now?
And so far as this lawsuit is concerned, the judge simply sated that if Aspen provides no treatment, then HIPAA doesn't apply. If that's the case, fine, disclose client information whenever you want. The problem is that this facility performed therapy with its clients and the therapists are not licensed. Providing therapy (or counseling) when unlicensed to do so is a crime, plain and simple. Like practicing medicine without a license. Same deal.
So we clearly see Aspen is guilty of at least one criminal/tortious action. They either provided therapy without a license to do so (a crime) or they were licensed and violated HIPAA (a tort). Either way, they're guilty as sin.
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Well so far the court system disagrees with you. Neither you or I make or interpret the laws so we will see what happens. So far what we know is Aspen hires Licensed therapists and they perform treatments. So far as we know Aspen has not been found guilty of anything.
On the other hand Matthew is in jail, so that should tell us about who is guilty and who is not. But if anyone finds any more info lets throw the links up here and take a look at them.
RMA Survivor:
I don't think anyone was arguing whether Matthew was guilty or not. And what you continuously fail to understand, obviously deliberately, is that people are arguing that treatment and counseling by the unlicensed is illegal, immoral and unethical. That one doctor on site performing it may be legal, but if others who are not licensed are performing it, that is illegal. And it is clear to all of the anti-program people this site is here for, everyone will agree that Aspen and North Star are using both a licensed professional and unlicensed hacks, the second group being used to give illegal treatment and counseling. And the parents who are suing them, are alleging that the hacks were performing treatment. And that the school itself has suggested through their vague brochures that they offered this place as a treatment facility when North Star is now claiming they did not offer that.
Your continued efforts to not grasp this are obvious to all. You are not just dumb, you are intentionally dumb, which is peculiar.
Whooter:
--- Quote from: "RMA Survivor" ---I don't think anyone was arguing whether Matthew was guilty or not. And what you continuously fail to understand, obviously deliberately, is that people are arguing that treatment and counseling by the unlicensed is illegal, immoral and unethical. That one doctor on site performing it may be legal, but if others who are not licensed are performing it, that is illegal. And it is clear to all of the anti-program people this site is here for, everyone will agree that Aspen and North Star are using both a licensed professional and unlicensed hacks, the second group being used to give illegal treatment and counseling. And the parents who are suing them, are alleging that the hacks were performing treatment. And that the school itself has suggested through their vague brochures that they offered this place as a treatment facility when North Star is now claiming they did not offer that.
Your continued efforts to not grasp this are obvious to all. You are not just dumb, you are intentionally dumb, which is peculiar.
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That was never proven. No everyone in a doctors office is a doctor or nurse. They are not all licensed. Not everyone who works on your car is a licensed mechanic... not everyone is a licensed plummer...etc.... some are there to help out or to learn, apprentice etc..... you are looking for fault where there is not any.
RMA Survivor:
Again, you seem to be the only posting and again you seem to not be able to form a cohesive, logical argument. A nurse in a doctors office has a degree in nursing. The doctor holds a doctorate degree, the nurse usually a Masters. They are fully licensed and trained. I cannot believe everyone on planet earth but you knows this, so again I am forced to conclude that you just like post even if you have nothing useful to add to a conversation.
Auto mechanics require licensing on some level. The amateur in his garage does not. But if that amateur attempts to smog check his own vehicle, he will soon find out what not being licensed is all about.
If Aspen Group is using unlicensed staff to perform mental health treatment and counseling on teens, they are breaking the law. You can keep trying to work your ignorant circle-logic, but nobody here is going to buy it. The court case is not over and at no time does it appear that the judge ruled on whether Aspen is using unlicensed staff to treat mental illness or offer counseling to minors.
I will now wait another four minutes to respond to your next useless argument and go to another thread and respond to your latest useless argument there. See you shortly...
Whooter:
--- Quote from: "RMA Survivor" ---Again, you seem to be the only posting and again you seem to not be able to form a cohesive, logical argument. A nurse in a doctors office has a degree in nursing. The doctor holds a doctorate degree, the nurse usually a Masters. They are fully licensed and trained. I cannot believe everyone on planet earth but you knows this, so again I am forced to conclude that you just like post even if you have nothing useful to add to a conversation.
Auto mechanics require licensing on some level. The amateur in his garage does not. But if that amateur attempts to smog check his own vehicle, he will soon find out what not being licensed is all about.
If Aspen Group is using unlicensed staff to perform mental health treatment and counseling on teens, they are breaking the law. You can keep trying to work your ignorant circle-logic, but nobody here is going to buy it. The court case is not over and at no time does it appear that the judge ruled on whether Aspen is using unlicensed staff to treat mental illness or offer counseling to minors.
I will now wait another four minutes to respond to your next useless argument and go to another thread and respond to your latest useless argument there. See you shortly...
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Besides the nurse and doctors the other staff are not licensed... the ones taking your blood pressure, filling out your chart are not. If they start playing doctor then they will go to jail and if the nonlicensed staff in a program start to write scripts for meds or perform psycotherapy then they will go to jail to...but this hasnt happened.
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