Treatment Abuse, Behavior Modification, Thought Reform > Aspen Education Group
Long-Term Outcome Studies
psy:
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--- Quote from: "Ursus" ---Moreover, there is no information in this overt piece of viral marketing regarding HOW these assays were conducted. "Informal surveys" sent out? Disregarding for the moment the general bias inherent in such surveys, what percentage were actually returned?
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Not to metion: who filled out the surveys? (Parents or the kids themselves?)... Also, who is to say aspen gave a full list of students to the company performing the "research"? Also, what is this independent group that did the research. Do you mean independent like Behrens the ed-con (like last time)?
So where is the source for this information, Whooter? I want details. I don't see any sources or links in your original post. Also, I see the post only mentioning Suws of the Carolinas benefiting kids in the title. Is Aspen at the very least willing to concede the majority of their "treatment" at the very least just plain does not work?
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All very good questions, but I didnt conduct the study and it wasnt done by Aspen Education Group:
Here are the people who did the study:This was an independent study conducted by Ellen Behrens, Ph.D.
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... and that was where I stopped reading. Really, Whooter. An ed-con who pushes and refers to Aspen is Independent?!?! Please. Call me when you have a study done by people who don't have a financial interest in the outcome.
Whooter:
Some links to the people who conducted the study:
Outdoor Behavioral Healthcare is a relatively new field in the treatment of adolescents struggling with behavioral, substance abuse, and mental health issues. OBHIC has been instrumental in facilitating research to study the efficacy of this treatment modality.
The research has established that wilderness treatment programs are effective and are successful in helping struggling adolescents.
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Canyon Research & Consulting, Inc
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Substance abuse and dependence is significantly reduced, with results lasting through the 12-month follow-up.
Students experienced substance-related pathology within the clinically significant and elevated range pretreatment, but symptoms fell within a normal range upon graduation. Most importantly, these results were sustained through the three and 12 month follow-up assessments.
Troll Control:
Sorry, Whooter, but the links you provided don't show anything. Remember now, this is only pointed at 'wilderness programs,' which are a tiny sliver of the troubled teen industry as a whole, and, I am sorry to inform you after perusing the links, there is no clinical data whatsoever. There are no peer-reviewed studies of any kind, much less any reviewed at all by non-industry publications. Sad attempt, Whooter.
Now, on to linking up your posts. You told RB the only reason he couldn't get it done is because he didn't try hard enough. So go ahead and prove to everyone that stand by your own words. Get your posts linked up or you are even worse than Brucie. 'High-horse Preacher Falls on Face, AGAIN' I can see the headlines now :rocker:
Whooter:
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--- Quote from: "Ursus" ---Moreover, there is no information in this overt piece of viral marketing regarding HOW these assays were conducted. "Informal surveys" sent out? Disregarding for the moment the general bias inherent in such surveys, what percentage were actually returned?
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Not to metion: who filled out the surveys? (Parents or the kids themselves?)... Also, who is to say aspen gave a full list of students to the company performing the "research"? Also, what is this independent group that did the research. Do you mean independent like Behrens the ed-con (like last time)?
So where is the source for this information, Whooter? I want details. I don't see any sources or links in your original post. Also, I see the post only mentioning Suws of the Carolinas benefiting kids in the title. Is Aspen at the very least willing to concede the majority of their "treatment" at the very least just plain does not work?
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All very good questions, but I didnt conduct the study and it wasnt done by Aspen Education Group:
Here are the people who did the study:This was an independent study conducted by Ellen Behrens, Ph.D.
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... and that was where I stopped reading. Really, Whooter. An ed-con who pushes and refers to Aspen is Independent?!?! Please. Call me when you have a study done by people who don't have a financial interest in the outcome.
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Ha,Ha,Ha,... saw the word "consultant" and you closed your mind and ran lol. (I don’t expect to convince any of you guys). Its a good study and it scares the hell out of a lot of people here, I understand that. The industry is changing and it is going to get tougher and tougher to support your case with just pictures of the "Hobbit" and kids being forced to work in the company store at "Straight" from the 1970’s...or a 300lb guy sitting on a kid…… it just aint the same any more. Those days are long gone.
Everyone here is slowly realizing that the kids are getting the help they need at these places.. there are over 500 programs today and the number of kids who have not benefitted from them are almost nill.
Psy, I understand there is a ton of room for improvement but we cant deny that kids lives are being immensely effected everyday for the better. This is not the last study to be conducted and you can continue to find fault in everyone of them or start to read and understand the direction of the industry and how kids are being helped. Its up to you.
You and I both know that you take the worst possible thing that happens in a program and then apply it to all of them. Not all programs listen to phone calls or censor mail.. has it happened? Sure. But it doesn’t happen everywhere… you are failing yourself by not seeing the shades of gray.. the changes that are occurring.
There was a poster earlier who said we should do a study of the effectiveness of calling a kid a slut and a whore and screaming at them because they were raped. Do you really belief that every rape victim is treated this way? It blows my mind that so many of you buy into this belief and hold it up like some religious icon.
The industry will always be changing (for the better or for the worse) and we need to keep our finger on the pulse to make sure its moving in the right direction… but you are not doing any of that. You only see what you want to see, living in the past.
Catch up!!!
Troll Control:
Oh, we're caught upalright. No worries there.
I wonder now how this "study" should be viewed about the "effectiveness" of Aspen's "treatment" given that Aspen has now admitted it provides no treatment or mental health services?
Anybody else see a bit of a "credibility gap" regarding this study and Whooter?
Explain again how we have measured the effectiveness of non-treatment...? :suicide:
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