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Long-Term Outcome Studies
Anonymous:
One of the proplems with reports is that they are so broad and vague. I, for one, would like to see the actual "theraputic" strategies broken down into their components and have program supporters explain how they think children benefit from them and if they would accept the same strategies in their own 'therapy. In talking about what is good or not we need to identify the "what".
Takle CEDU for instance. One strategy was to have a workshop where kids were kept awake for 24 hours at a time with little food or bathroom breaks. A girl, for instance would be screamed at by foaming at the mouth staff who would call her a whore, slut, cunt, lesbian, liar until the girl would break down in tears.
So explain the theraputic value of sleep deprivation, being screamed at and called names. How is this beneficial, what behavior is it supposed to change and would you tolerate this "therapy" for yourself?
Another strategy is for the staff to elict confessions and admissions from students of any past embarrassing, traumatic event then have it announced to all of the other studentsl. For instance a student that had been molested would be forced to discuss it in detail with the other students. Quite often they would be screamed at and blamed for being raped. So please explain to us how this "therapy" is beneficial and would you be willing to sit in a goup of your peers while every traumatic, embarrassing event in yourI life is put on display for them to judge.
It would be interesting to explore the actual "therapies" used and have a discussion about in what way they were beneficial.
Anonymous:
OH, and don't forget to cite your sources:
For example
Dr. X in X clinical study has difinitively proven the theraputic value of a young rape victim being called a whore and a slut in his published study in the Journal of the AMA dated xx
psy:
--- Quote from: "Ursus" ---Moreover, there is no information in this overt piece of viral marketing regarding HOW these assays were conducted. "Informal surveys" sent out? Disregarding for the moment the general bias inherent in such surveys, what percentage were actually returned?
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Not to metion: who filled out the surveys? (Parents or the kids themselves?)... Also, who is to say aspen gave a full list of students to the company performing the "research"? Also, what is this independent group that did the research. Do you mean independent like Behrens the ed-con (like last time)?
So where is the source for this information, Whooter? I want details. I don't see any sources or links in your original post. Also, I see the post only mentioning Suws of the Carolinas benefiting kids in the title. Is Aspen at the very least willing to concede the majority of their "treatment" at the very least just plain does not work?
Anonymous:
Whooter appears desperate. Even an idiot like him should know this shill-piece by Aspen employees and other industry workers doesn't pass even the most cursory examination.
Once again, this is the BEST the industry has to offer from some 40 years of its history. This alone should hip parents to the fact that no evidence whatsover exists that proves programs treat anything or anyone effectively.
Surprising softball from idiot boy.
Now link up those posts Whooter. No excuses.
Whooter:
--- Quote from: "psy" ---
--- Quote from: "Ursus" ---Moreover, there is no information in this overt piece of viral marketing regarding HOW these assays were conducted. "Informal surveys" sent out? Disregarding for the moment the general bias inherent in such surveys, what percentage were actually returned?
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Not to metion: who filled out the surveys? (Parents or the kids themselves?)... Also, who is to say aspen gave a full list of students to the company performing the "research"? Also, what is this independent group that did the research. Do you mean independent like Behrens the ed-con (like last time)?
So where is the source for this information, Whooter? I want details. I don't see any sources or links in your original post. Also, I see the post only mentioning Suws of the Carolinas benefiting kids in the title. Is Aspen at the very least willing to concede the majority of their "treatment" at the very least just plain does not work?
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All very good questions, but I didnt conduct the study and it wasnt done by Aspen Education Group:
Here are the people who did the study:This was an independent study conducted by Ellen Behrens, Ph.D., Canyon Research & Consulting, Inc.; Sarah (Salli) Lewis, Ph.D. and Ellen Leen-Feldner, Center for Research, Assessment, and Treatment Efficacy and Arkansas Institute of Developmental Science; Keith Russell, Ph.D., Outdoor Behavioral Healthcare Research Cooperative, University of Minnesota.
I have a few quesions also about their plans to repeat the study and or if they are currently working on another study for TBS's. I will see if I can get my hands on some contact information and pass it along. I always like to see the data tables myself so I can view the data independently, but thats just me, I am sure everyone has their own wish list.
It is nice to see that Independent studies are starting to be performed, though. Its a big step that we have all been asking for.
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