Treatment Abuse, Behavior Modification, Thought Reform > Aspen Education Group
Another death last week at an Aspen program
Anne Bonney:
--- Quote from: "Dysfunction Junction" ---No, we don't agree on anything at all. With no studies to validate your claims we must conclude that the programs are ineffective until proven otherwise. It's called "the scientific method" and you should learn about it.
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Aw shit....is this asshole STILL pulling this "we" shit???
--- Quote ---Anecdotes from kids and parents do not in any way create validity of efficacy claims. In fact, the state of Oregon has documented the exact opposite: the very model of the programs is abusive.
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BINGO!!!
--- Quote ---And it also substantiated claims of abuse and neglect, I believe nine cases in the past year from a single facility, including the sexualized humiliation of minor females forced to simulate oral sex on minor boys for "therapy."
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Ughhh...that just makes me ill.
--- Quote ---No, we all can agree that the state of Oregon found out the truth about Aspen. You can't put the genie back in the bottle, Whooter.
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:tup:
Whooter:
--- Quote from: "John Rumford" ---Good discussion. So we can conclude that in the absence of studies we need to rely on those who have progressed thru the system. With an estimated 500 programs running today and lets say, to be conservative, 100 kids graduate a year (per program), then we are seeing 50,000 kids benefitting from these places and a handful who are harmed (1 per year? Maybe).
We see public school teachers raping their students but the ones benefitting from public education far outweighs those who are harmed and therefore we keep the public system going and don’t move to shut them down.
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Good point, :tup: guest, never thought of it that way. I wish there was a way to compare the public school system to programs. This way we could better see the point.
AuntieEm2:
If only "theraputic boarding schools" would cooperate in rigorous clinical trials by credible third parties, like universities, in comparing outcomes with public schools. I'm confident the programs would fail to measure up.
I don't see how Aspen can any longer call their schools "therapeutic" after the Oregon DHS concluded, based on documentation of substantiated incidents, that their "therapy" meets the Oregon definition of child abuse.
So "child abuse boarding schools" would be the accurate term.
Auntie Em
Whooter:
--- Quote from: "AuntieEm2" ---If only "theraputic boarding schools" would cooperate in rigorous clinical trials by credible third parties, like universities, in comparing outcomes with public schools. I'm confident the programs would fail to measure up.
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Can you point to an instance where a rigorous clinical trial was denied?
--- Quote ---I don't see how Aspen can any longer call their schools "therapeutic" after the Oregon DHS concluded, based on documentation of substantiated incidents, that their "therapy" meets the Oregon definition of child abuse.
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Because not all programs work to the same model. Massachusetts calls the programs therapuetic so we can conclude (by your logic) that all of Aspen programs are therapeutic.
Your getting old GrannyEm. your logic fails.
--- Quote ---So "child abuse boarding schools" would be the accurate term.
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You are also childish. Resorting to name calling because you cant argue. I think we can agree that the anti program group is running out of examples to hold up. We need a picture of the hobbit and the 300 pound staff member who sits on kids!! Then you can show them how abusive these places are!! Ha,Ha,Ha
Troll Control:
Wow. The last post is stunningly ignorant. The state of Oregon DHS investigated Aspen (MBA) and concluded they are and have been abusing and neglecting children, including forcing rape victims to simulate oral sex on other minors in a group setting.
Which part don't you understand? Aspen has already admitted they provide no therapy and Oregon has concluded they abuse children, so AuntieEm's conclusion that Aspen programs should be called "child abuse boarding schools" is perfectly and completely logical. This is what the facts bear out.
Aspen's admission that they provide no therapy + Oregon's finding that Aspen systematically and methodically abuses children = Child Abuse Boarding School. It's as plain as day.
Aspen, as found by the state of Oregon, systematically, methodically and purposefully abuses children in its care.
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