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Another death last week at an Aspen program

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Troll Control:
I believe that Aspen took away all safety controls from Sagewalk, leading directly to the deaths of two or more children.  Did the owners state that?  If so, good for them for finally coming clean that they are unsafe and damaging.  Good job, owners!

Whooter:

--- Quote from: "Jim Baylor" ---
--- Quote from: "Guest" ---yeah, it's there.  he said aspen removed all of the safety controls and hired people with no life-saving skills or therapy qualifications and ruined the nice business he built.  go back and read it again.
--- End quote ---

I think as a minimum we can say the program owners have gained a bit of credibility here on fornits, at least some of them.  I remember back a few years when I posted here that no one would believe what program staff or owners had to say about their programs successes, even if they provided testimony.  So this is a big step.
--- End quote ---

Well, the owners have become more open about the programs.  Its not like the old days of straight and kids.  I dont trust them entirely but you have to admit that being able to walk in off the street unannounced and see your child or walk around the facility by yourself is a big step towards transparency.
I, myself believe that SageWalk was safer in the beginning, like the founder and previous poster said.  Its just a matter of getting back to that and then the program will be back on track.

Troll Control:
^^That^^  is laughable.  Especially coming from Whooter, the man who has been vehement for years about how you "can't just walk in unannounced and walk around the facility.  It's disruptive to the program.  No business would allow that!"

Everyone knows that these facilities do not allow visitors without an appointment.  Everyone also knows that SageWalk became even more unsafe and even more ineffective when Aspen took over.  Several dead kids prove that indelible fact.  To spin bad controls, untrained staff and child deaths as "success" is idiotic on its face, Whooter.

Whooter:

--- Quote from: "Guest" ---
--- Quote from: "Jim Baylor" ---
--- Quote from: "Guest" ---yeah, it's there.  he said aspen removed all of the safety controls and hired people with no life-saving skills or therapy qualifications and ruined the nice business he built.  go back and read it again.
--- End quote ---

I think as a minimum we can say the program owners have gained a bit of credibility here on fornits, at least some of them.  I remember back a few years when I posted here that no one would believe what program staff or owners had to say about their programs successes, even if they provided testimony.  So this is a big step.
--- End quote ---

Well, the owners have become more open about the programs.  Its not like the old days of straight and kids.  I dont trust them entirely but you have to admit that being able to walk in off the street unannounced and see your child or walk around the facility by yourself is a big step towards transparency.
I, myself believe that SageWalk was safer in the beginning, like the founder and previous poster said.  Its just a matter of getting back to that and then the program will be back on track.
--- End quote ---

You also left out that the founder of SageWalk recommends programs as a great choice for at-risk kids.  I think that we can all agree to disagree, but anyway you look at it the programs voices are becoming more influential here on fornits.  Its good to see we are finally disecting and utilizing the programs perspective here, albeit a tad, it is a start.

Troll Control:
So, if you are to use SageWalk's founder as a model of "truth-telling" you must then heed his warning that SageWalk is no longer safe for kids, as Aspen took away all of the safety controls and hired uneducated, unlicensed, non-CPR certified employees to work there.  Maybe it was good for kids when he was there, but now he says it is dangerous for kids.  You can't pick and choose which piece to believe!

It also hurts your argument that SageWalk is safe that they just killed a kid a few weeks ago.  Doesn't seem very "safe" to me or to the founder who is rightly concerned that there are no safety controls or qualified people at SageWalk.

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