Treatment Abuse, Behavior Modification, Thought Reform > Aspen Education Group
My son at Aspen Ranch
Ursus:
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--- Quote from: "psy" --- My advice, is to take him out and deal with him at home through therapy, volunteer activities he enjoys, sports, community service and so forth
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Kids are sent to programs because they have serious behavior problems, the cause of which is usually not as simple as a lack of extracurricular activities. Is this really the best alternative to programs you have to offer parents? Sports and volunteer work?
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LOL. Sometimes it's parental interpretation of "serious behavior problems," and sometimes it is even the kid's dysfunctional reaction to outright parental abuse. I'm not saying that this is the case with Nigel, he seems far more concerned and involved than the average program parent, but I'm bringing it up 'cuz there have been far too many cases just like said scenarios.
You seem to have an unusually dour and overly stereotyped image of who gets sent to programs, Guest. Programs will take anyone and everyone who can pay. After all is said and done, that is the be-all and end-all of what this industry is all about. All the rest is rationalizations for the misdeeds.
Ursus:
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--- Quote from: "NIGEL" ---I am positive that my son will tell me what goes on and he won't be brainwashed.
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Since it's largely a transparent process (See Singer's first condition), neither you nor he would know until a while after leaving the program. Now you could say "well.. maybe brainwashing is a good thing if he starts behaving right". Well. The problem with that, ethics aside, is that thought reform ceases to function shortly after a person leaves the closed environment. He might act changed for a while after getting home but will almost assuredly assume his old identity after a short period of time. Real change comes from within, as I've said. My advice, is to take him out and deal with him at home through therapy, volunteer activities he enjoys, sports, community service and so forth rather than waste your time and money on a program that will be ineffective at best and could very well leave him with lasting psychological scars at worst.
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I agree that thought reform would be damaging to anyone who would be exposed to it in captivity. But Behavior modification is totally different and is used throughout ones life, it is a slower process of letting the person embrace and understand a different way of doing things. Think of it as potty training. Potty training is Behavior modification. At the end the child embraces, sees the benefits of dry pants and takes it on as his/hers own. The child isnt damaged by it. The childs quality of life is improved. Its a slow process that is why the programs run as long as they do.
I wish you wouldnt confuse brainwashing with Behavior modification. It is very misleading.
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Kids in programs aren't being potty-trained. They are, however, being subjugated to a regimen of behavior modification brought about by thought reform, aka thought coercion.
Your attempts to liken programs to potty-training are even more familiar than the orange jumpsuits, I afraid... :D
TheWho:
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--- Quote from: "Guest" ---
--- Quote from: "psy" --- My advice, is to take him out and deal with him at home through therapy, volunteer activities he enjoys, sports, community service and so forth
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Kids are sent to programs because they have serious behavior problems, the cause of which is usually not as simple as a lack of extracurricular activities. Is this really the best alternative to programs you have to offer parents? Sports and volunteer work?
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LOL. Sometimes it's parental interpretation of "serious behavior problems," and sometimes it is even the kid's dysfunctional reaction to outright parental abuse. I'm not saying that this is the case with Nigel, he seems far more concerned and involved than the average program parent, but I'm bringing it up 'cuz there have been far too many cases just like said scenarios.
You seem to have an unusually dour and overly stereotyped image of who gets sent to programs, Guest. Programs will take anyone and everyone who can pay. After all is said and done, that is the be-all and end-all of what this industry is all about. All the rest is rationalizations for the misdeeds.
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Actually, from what I have read, Nigel is more the typical program parent . They are mostly the more concerned and involved parents. If they were not then their kids would be home running amok or dead. The kids are not there because they smoked some weed, skipped school a few times or the were the subject of abusive parents. The kids have serious issues which could not be solved locally thru the school counselor, local therapist, hospital etc. and the program is sometimes the last option.
Not all programs will take your child just because you can demonstrate deep pockets and/or a willingness to pay. Many of these places have very strict and defined criteria for acceptance. They only accept the children that the particular program feels they have a high probability of helping. If the program is too structured or not structured enough for a particular student or just not a good fit then they are recommended to another place or outright rejected.
You can address a few of these questions to Nigel,also. After he attends Aspen Ranch a few times and meets the other parents he will be able to tell if they just sent their kids there so they could go on vacation or if they were sent there for good reason. He may even be able to give us insight on the acceptance procedures that they use if you ask.
Ursus:
--- Quote from: "Guest" ---Not all programs will take your child just because you can demonstrate deep pockets and/or a willingness to pay. Many of these places have very strict and defined criteria for acceptance. They only accept the children that the particular program feels they have a high probability of helping. If the program is too structured or not structured enough for a particular student or just not a good fit then they are recommended to another place or outright rejected.
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Yep. I know how that goes. If one Aspen program is not the greatest fit, there sure is another one (or two, or three) that is. And they usually even have the Admissions Director's home phone number, to further facilitate and expedite that up close and personal, customized Aspen Ed experience. :D
TheWho:
--- Quote from: "Ursus" ---
--- Quote from: "Guest" ---Not all programs will take your child just because you can demonstrate deep pockets and/or a willingness to pay. Many of these places have very strict and defined criteria for acceptance. They only accept the children that the particular program feels they have a high probability of helping. If the program is too structured or not structured enough for a particular student or just not a good fit then they are recommended to another place or outright rejected.
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Yep. I know how that goes. If one Aspen program is not the greatest fit, there sure is another one (or two, or three) that is. And they usually even have the Admissions Director's home phone number, to further facilitate and expedite that up close and personal, customized Aspen Ed experience. :D
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Yes, they do that and they also recommend outside the Aspen group if they feel it is a better fit then what their programs can provide. They are also quick to tell you if your child just doesnt fit their programs or requires further testing prior to acceptance.
Most of the places have each others phone numbers whether they are Aspen Ed or outside the group. Its very common
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