Treatment Abuse, Behavior Modification, Thought Reform > Aspen Education Group
My son at Aspen Ranch
psy:
--- Quote from: "NIGEL" ---I am positive that my son will tell me what goes on and he won't be brainwashed.
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Since it's largely a transparent process (See Singer's first condition), neither you nor he would know until a while after leaving the program. Now you could say "well.. maybe brainwashing is a good thing if he starts behaving right". Well. The problem with that, ethics aside, is that thought reform ceases to function shortly after a person leaves the closed environment. He might act changed for a while after getting home but will almost assuredly assume his old identity after a short period of time. Real change comes from within, as I've said. My advice, is to take him out and deal with him at home through therapy, volunteer activities he enjoys, sports, community service and so forth rather than waste your time and money on a program that will be ineffective at best and could very well leave him with lasting psychological scars at worst.
TheWho:
--- Quote from: "Guest" ---Nigel. Those questions were written by the same guests pretending to be Aspen Ranch parents. His aim is to encourage you in your decision to keep your son there through deception and to make the rest of us look like crazy liars by imitating us and making wild exaggerated accusations (so you'll stop listening to *any* concerns, however valid). How do I know this? Because he has a very distinctive writing style and in his arrogance he can't help but sign his posts with certain distinguishing characteristics such as his signature mention of Orange Jumpsuits (as Ursus pointed out). There are valid concerns about the Aspen program you have placed your child in but almost none of them were in that list of questions. He's also a fan of responding to his own posts. As Psy suggested, read up on Sockpuppeteering, Astroturfing, and Fraudiences.
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I made that list up myself (no one elselike you are implying) because I was concerned about the information I was getting here. Why do you try to belittle the questions? You stated above that none of my questions relate to Aspen Ranch (I disagree with you), but why do you make that stement and then not add your specific questions that you say I left out? I am open minded and would like to hear and discuss any questions that you have. Why not pose them to Nigel? Why make it look like a conspiracy all the time?
Anonymous:
--- Quote from: "Guest" ---Why make it look like a conspiracy all the time?
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If it isn't, ask Psy to link your posts together. I'll be the first to apologize. What have you got to lose if you're telling the truth?
TheWho:
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--- Quote from: "NIGEL" ---I am positive that my son will tell me what goes on and he won't be brainwashed.
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Since it's largely a transparent process (See Singer's first condition), neither you nor he would know until a while after leaving the program. Now you could say "well.. maybe brainwashing is a good thing if he starts behaving right". Well. The problem with that, ethics aside, is that thought reform ceases to function shortly after a person leaves the closed environment. He might act changed for a while after getting home but will almost assuredly assume his old identity after a short period of time. Real change comes from within, as I've said. My advice, is to take him out and deal with him at home through therapy, volunteer activities he enjoys, sports, community service and so forth rather than waste your time and money on a program that will be ineffective at best and could very well leave him with lasting psychological scars at worst.
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I agree that thought reform would be damaging to anyone who would be exposed to it in captivity. But Behavior modification is totally different and is used throughout ones life, it is a slower process of letting the person embrace and understand a different way of doing things. Think of it as potty training. Potty training is Behavior modification. At the end the child embraces, sees the benefits of dry pants and takes it on as his/hers own. The child isnt damaged by it. The childs quality of life is improved. Its a slow process that is why the programs run as long as they do.
I wish you wouldnt confuse brainwashing with Behavior modification. It is very misleading.
Anonymous:
--- Quote from: "psy" --- My advice, is to take him out and deal with him at home through therapy, volunteer activities he enjoys, sports, community service and so forth
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Kids are sent to programs because they have serious behavior problems, the cause of which is usually not as simple as a lack of extracurricular activities. Is this really the best alternative to programs you have to offer parents? Sports and volunteer work?
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