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Looking for input with constantly grounded teenage daughter.
« on: August 04, 2009, 09:53:49 PM »
My daughter is 16 years old, and hasn't had any problems until just recently. She has gotten grounded a couple of times this year for coming home late, and we took this offense very seriously starting by grounding her for one day for being 2 minutes late, then one week, then two weeks. During this time, we took away all privileges such as cell phone, leaving the house, and having people over. Just recently we noticed a couple of alcoholic beverages missing from the cabinet; we checked her room and were puzzled to find two beer bottles in her closet. We   imminently grounded her until further notice, which she did not take lightly. She continued to beg and plea, saying that she'd do anything to avoid getting grounded. My daughter is definitely what i would define as a social person, so i can understand her apprehensive attitude toward being grounded. And I'm sure she does feel a bit "trapped", having been grounded over half of her sophomore year. I was just wondering how we should punish her, maybe some kind of alternative to grounding. Thanks for the advice.

Sincerely,
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Re: Looking for input with constantly grounded teenage daughter.
« Reply #1 on: August 04, 2009, 10:02:58 PM »
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I was just wondering how we should punish her

Sincerely,
Mom
…unh hunh…sure…
Parent’s relying on stranger’s opinions of their children and how they ought to be raised is a huge part of what lead to the industry that most of the focus of this forum is on.
You could try talking to her.
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Re: Looking for input with constantly grounded teenage daughter.
« Reply #2 on: August 04, 2009, 10:36:24 PM »
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and we took this offense very seriously starting by grounding her for one day for being 2 minutes late

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You are either a troll, or you are azn.
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Re: Looking for input with constantly grounded teenage daughter.
« Reply #3 on: August 04, 2009, 10:40:17 PM »
i think you are being a little harsh on your daughter. grounded for being two minuts late? c'mon! and increasing the punishment every time? seriously?

rules are there to discourage bad behavior, not stop it altogether. you will never stop your daughter from doing things she wants to do, you can only prevent her from taking it too far. you will be fighting a never-ending battle if you continue to ground your daughter in this manner.

why do you think she drank your alcohol? because she's a "bad girl"? no. it's because she's a bored girl. because she is stuck inside all day long with nothing better to do than be sedentary and rummage through the cabinets and closets looking for something to do once she's sick of TV, music, and the computer.

you must understand, this is a very common yet tragic mistake that parents make. you cannot take away activities and ground kids if you want them to behave in a healthy manner; they will only find ways around your rules and look for new ways to have fun - which are often unhealthy.

instead of being restrictive, which indirectly encourages her to rebel and do things you wont like, you should be supportive. not supportive of whatever she wants to do e.g stay out all night (thats crazy), but supportive towards her leading a healthier lifestyle. instead of punishing her negatively, punish her positively - by making her do something good that she might not necessarily like.

for example:
tell her you will un-ground her if she does one of the following:
gets above a certain G.P.A
joins a certain after-school activity you'd like her to participate in
joins a sports team
pledges to exercise a certain amount of hours a day
goes to church
volunteer

the opportunities are endless.

I would advise you to keep this in mind:
 first, this cannot be an instantaneous lifting of the grounding, nor can the grounding come back under the slightest infraction. slowly give her more and more freedom (and more leeway if she slips up) as she continues to consistently do what she pledged to do. if she wants to have lots of fun, she needs to balance it with lots of work.

also, i beg you, please dont freak out as she grows up and makes mistakes. it's very likely that she WILL smoke pot one day. she WILL throw a party at your house one day. she WILL get drunk. she WILL have sex. If you punish her by grounding her every time she does something like that, you are only instigating a war between you two. you have to accept that these things are inevitable and you have to allow certain things to slide. KIDS WILL BE KIDS. theres nothing you can do about it. It's your job to prevent your daughter from taking things too far, not punish her when she slips up. let her make her own mistakes. when she smokes pot, make her do 50 math problems - you cant do math if your stoned. when she throws a party, make her deep-clean every nook and cranny of the house. when she gets drunk, make sure she gets so drunk she'll never want to drink again. if she smokes cigarettes, make her smoke a pack in under two hours. It's like supervised mistake-making. like: "OK, so you want to do these stupid things? well, heres the dark side of these things, heres the extra baggage that comes with making mistakes, do what you want but at your own risk". it's all about teaching responsibility, not punishing for irresponsibility.

heres how this attitude plays out in the long term:
if you continue to just punish her, one of two things will happen:
1. she will rebel so furiously that you will be hard pressed to send her away.
or
2. when she goes to college, or leaves the 'nest', she will realize that the god deity [you] who would punish her whenever she does something wrong doesn't have any sway over her, and she can do whatever she wants. now, she is doing this and that risky behavior without knowing the real dangers, without any awareness, without a sense of balance in everyday life, and without supervision.

 wouldnt you rather she make supervised mistakes, rather than unsupervised? if you let her make these mistakes while she lives with you, when she leaves she will have a sense of responsibility and will not go crazy partying all day and all night in college.

i see this at college campuses all the time - there is a clear-cut division between students who's parents have different parenting styles. the ones who have supportive parents who let them party a little in high school develop a distaste for the party life early in college and end up being responsible adults - particularly the ones whose parents would actually drink with them (european style - glass of wine or beer at dinner once or twice a week, a little bit more at special events like weddings), that way the kids learned responsible vs. irresponsible drinking early on. the kids who's parents were abstinence only sticklers and banned any drinking would go and buy a case of beer every few days and get drunk at any opportunity.
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Re: Looking for input with constantly grounded teenage daughter.
« Reply #4 on: August 04, 2009, 10:44:23 PM »
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My daughter is 16 years old, and hasn't had any problems until just recently. She has gotten grounded a couple of times this year for coming home late, and we took this offense very seriously starting by grounding her for one day for being 2 minutes late, then one week, then two weeks. During this time, we took away all privileges such as cell phone, leaving the house, and having people over. Just recently we noticed a couple of alcoholic beverages missing from the cabinet; we checked her room and were puzzled to find two beer bottles in her closet. We   imminently grounded her until further notice, which she did not take lightly. She continued to beg and plea, saying that she'd do anything to avoid getting grounded. My daughter is definitely what i would define as a social person, so i can understand her apprehensive attitude toward being grounded. And I'm sure she does feel a bit "trapped", having been grounded over half of her sophomore year. I was just wondering how we should punish her, maybe some kind of alternative to grounding. Thanks for the advice.

Sincerely,
Mom

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Re: Looking for input with constantly grounded teenage daughter.
« Reply #5 on: August 04, 2009, 10:50:41 PM »
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i think you are being a little harsh on your daughter. grounded for being two minuts late? c'mon! and increasing the punishment every time? seriously?

rules are there to discourage bad behavior, not stop it altogether. you will never stop your daughter from doing things she wants to do, you can only prevent her from taking it too far. you will be fighting a never-ending battle if you continue to ground your daughter in this manner.

why do you think she drank your alcohol? because she's a "bad girl"? no. it's because she's a bored girl. because she is stuck inside all day long with nothing better to do than be sedentary and rummage through the cabinets and closets looking for something to do once she's sick of TV, music, and the computer.

you must understand, this is a very common yet tragic mistake that parents make. you cannot take away activities and ground kids if you want them to behave in a healthy manner; they will only find ways around your rules and look for new ways to have fun - which are often unhealthy.

instead of being restrictive, which indirectly encourages her to rebel and do things you wont like, you should be supportive. not supportive of whatever she wants to do e.g stay out all night (thats crazy), but supportive towards her leading a healthier lifestyle. instead of punishing her negatively, punish her positively - by making her do something good that she might not necessarily like.

for example:
tell her you will un-ground her if she does one of the following:
gets above a certain G.P.A
joins a certain after-school activity you'd like her to participate in
joins a sports team
pledges to exercise a certain amount of hours a day
goes to church
volunteer

the opportunities are endless.

I would advise you to keep this in mind:
 first, this cannot be an instantaneous lifting of the grounding, nor can the grounding come back under the slightest infraction. slowly give her more and more freedom (and more leeway if she slips up) as she continues to consistently do what she pledged to do. if she wants to have lots of fun, she needs to balance it with lots of work.

also, i beg you, please dont freak out as she grows up and makes mistakes. it's very likely that she WILL smoke pot one day. she WILL throw a party at your house one day. she WILL get drunk. she WILL have sex. If you punish her by grounding her every time she does something like that, you are only instigating a war between you two. you have to accept that these things are inevitable and you have to allow certain things to slide. KIDS WILL BE KIDS. theres nothing you can do about it. It's your job to prevent your daughter from taking things too far, not punish her when she slips up. let her make her own mistakes. when she smokes pot, make her do 50 math problems - you cant do math if your stoned. when she throws a party, make her deep-clean every nook and cranny of the house. when she gets drunk, make sure she gets so drunk she'll never want to drink again. if she smokes cigarettes, make her smoke a pack in under two hours. It's like supervised mistake-making. like: "OK, so you want to do these stupid things? well, heres the dark side of these things, heres the extra baggage that comes with making mistakes, do what you want but at your own risk". it's all about teaching responsibility, not punishing for irresponsibility.

heres how this attitude plays out in the long term:
if you continue to just punish her, one of two things will happen:
1. she will rebel so furiously that you will be hard pressed to send her away.
or
2. when she goes to college, or leaves the 'nest', she will realize that the god deity [you] who would punish her whenever she does something wrong doesn't have any sway over her, and she can do whatever she wants. now, she is doing this and that risky behavior without knowing the real dangers, without any awareness, without a sense of balance in everyday life, and without supervision.

 wouldnt you rather she make supervised mistakes, rather than unsupervised? if you let her make these mistakes while she lives with you, when she leaves she will have a sense of responsibility and will not go crazy partying all day and all night in college.

i see this at college campuses all the time - there is a clear-cut division between students who's parents have different parenting styles. the ones who have supportive parents who let them party a little in high school develop a distaste for the party life early in college and end up being responsible adults - particularly the ones whose parents would actually drink with them (european style - glass of wine or beer at dinner once or twice a week, a little bit more at special events like weddings), that way the kids learned responsible vs. irresponsible drinking early on. the kids who's parents were abstinence only sticklers and banned any drinking would go and buy a case of beer every few days and get drunk at any opportunity.
Seriously, that was stellar advice, every word of it...except the church part (mho). I hope you’ve adopted a lot of kids or plan to.
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Re: Looking for input with constantly grounded teenage daughter.
« Reply #6 on: August 05, 2009, 03:33:02 AM »
Only punish her if it is light beer in her closet. That's fucking disgusting.. You'd rather walk in on her having anal sex with a horse than find light beer in her closet.
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« Reply #7 on: August 05, 2009, 12:27:05 PM »
gookin, you troll. i want to shove your face into a mountain of batshit. you are the reason fornits is sooo ineffective now. go shove a che guevarra t-shirt up your rectum.
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« Reply #8 on: August 05, 2009, 11:35:46 PM »
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Re: Looking for input with constantly grounded teenage daughter.
« Reply #9 on: August 06, 2009, 12:18:26 PM »
Quote from: "Inculcated"
Quote from: "seriously?"
i think you are being a little harsh on your daughter. grounded for being two minuts late? c'mon! and increasing the punishment every time? seriously?

rules are there to discourage bad behavior, not stop it altogether. you will never stop your daughter from doing things she wants to do, you can only prevent her from taking it too far. you will be fighting a never-ending battle if you continue to ground your daughter in this manner.

why do you think she drank your alcohol? because she's a "bad girl"? no. it's because she's a bored girl. because she is stuck inside all day long with nothing better to do than be sedentary and rummage through the cabinets and closets looking for something to do once she's sick of TV, music, and the computer.

you must understand, this is a very common yet tragic mistake that parents make. you cannot take away activities and ground kids if you want them to behave in a healthy manner; they will only find ways around your rules and look for new ways to have fun - which are often unhealthy.

instead of being restrictive, which indirectly encourages her to rebel and do things you wont like, you should be supportive. not supportive of whatever she wants to do e.g stay out all night (thats crazy), but supportive towards her leading a healthier lifestyle. instead of punishing her negatively, punish her positively - by making her do something good that she might not necessarily like.



for example:
tell her you will un-ground her if she does one of the following:
gets above a certain G.P.A
joins a certain after-school activity you'd like her to participate in
joins a sports team
pledges to exercise a certain amount of hours a day
goes to church
volunteer

the opportunities are endless.

I would advise you to keep this in mind:
 first, this cannot be an instantaneous lifting of the grounding, nor can the grounding come back under the slightest infraction. slowly give her more and more freedom (and more leeway if she slips up) as she continues to consistently do what she pledged to do. if she wants to have lots of fun, she needs to balance it with lots of work.

also, i beg you, please dont freak out as she grows up and makes mistakes. it's very likely that she WILL smoke pot one day. she WILL throw a party at your house one day. she WILL get drunk. she WILL have sex. If you punish her by grounding her every time she does something like that, you are only instigating a war between you two. you have to accept that these things are inevitable and you have to allow certain things to slide. KIDS WILL BE KIDS. theres nothing you can do about it. It's your job to prevent your daughter from taking things too far, not punish her when she slips up. let her make her own mistakes. when she smokes pot, make her do 50 math problems - you cant do math if your stoned. when she throws a party, make her deep-clean every nook and cranny of the house. when she gets drunk, make sure she gets so drunk she'll never want to drink again. if she smokes cigarettes, make her smoke a pack in under two hours. It's like supervised mistake-making. like: "OK, so you want to do these stupid things? well, heres the dark side of these things, heres the extra baggage that comes with making mistakes, do what you want but at your own risk". it's all about teaching responsibility, not punishing for irresponsibility.

heres how this attitude plays out in the long term:
if you continue to just punish her, one of two things will happen:
1. she will rebel so furiously that you will be hard pressed to send her away.
or
2. when she goes to college, or leaves the 'nest', she will realize that the god deity [you] who would punish her whenever she does something wrong doesn't have any sway over her, and she can do whatever she wants. now, she is doing this and that risky behavior without knowing the real dangers, without any awareness, without a sense of balance in everyday life, and without supervision.

 wouldnt you rather she make supervised mistakes, rather than unsupervised? if you let her make these mistakes while she lives with you, when she leaves she will have a sense of responsibility and will not go crazy partying all day and all night in college.

i see this at college campuses all the time - there is a clear-cut division between students who's parents have different parenting styles. the ones who have supportive parents who let them party a little in high school develop a distaste for the party life early in college and end up being responsible adults - particularly the ones whose parents would actually drink with them (european style - glass of wine or beer at dinner once or twice a week, a little bit more at special events like weddings), that way the kids learned responsible vs. irresponsible drinking early on. the kids who's parents were abstinence only sticklers and banned any drinking would go and buy a case of beer every few days and get drunk at any opportunity.
Seriously, that was stellar advice, every word of it...except the church part (mho). I hope you’ve adopted a lot of kids or plan to.
 :rose:

You were given some GREAT advice from Inculated and Seriously.  Try these things first before EVEN thinking about sending her to a program.  This opinion comes from a Mom that made a BIG mistake sending my son to a program school.  It has been 5 years now and we still feel the effects of his 2 months in Casa by the Sea.

My other advice is to let your daughter live HER life.  Most parents have hopes and dreams for our children - these ideas must be tossed out.  We all get ONE life to do with as we please.  She has her OWN LIFE that she is entitled to mess up if that is HER choice.  I know it is hard; I struggle with this everyday.  Just keep loving her and she will find her way, but keep in mind what Seriously had to say.

Good luck to you from one Mom to another! :peace:
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Re: Looking for input with constantly grounded teenage daughter.
« Reply #10 on: August 08, 2009, 02:56:49 AM »
I will assume you are not a troll.
It sounds like you 2 have some communication problems. Try reading a book called How to Talk So Kids Will Listen & Listen So Kids Will Talk.
Also think more about logical consequences. Have a 10 to fifteen minute window where she can be late just because things happen, cabs are late, traffic is slow, other kids lollygag etc. After that instead of an outright grounding take that amount of time off when she may come home. EG If you are meant to be home at midnight & you were 1/2 and hour late without explaination then nxt time your cerfew is 11.30. If she is still habitually late then maybe consider grounding her. But don't make being grounded over something minor excessive, it leaves you nowhere to go if she actually does something really wrong.
Encourage more communication. Have her call you if there is an issue & if there is a good reason dont punish her at all. Discuss the household rules & write them down. Allow your child to have input and be flexible for special occasions or willing to listen if she wants a little more freedom. If the answer is no let her no what compromises you will consider. Dont be afraid to think things over before giving an answer.
A sibling of mine (who is something of a control nut) has each kid's schedule color coded on a calendar on the family computer. This includes roughly when they are expected to be in etc. Often the kids add to it themselves.

If she is drinking at parties you have 2 choices. 1 is to put your foot down and say it is banned. This is going to be tough to enforce and may lead to her being deceitful about it. The other is to accept it and to communicate your expectations. If she is old enough to drive she needs to make a decision about whether she prefers the independence of driving or to have a couple of drinks. If drinking wins be sure she has a safe way of getting home. If she is caught drink driving it is not unreasonable to permanently take away the keys.
Dont consider a program. You and the kid deserve more than that
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