Second post from CALO by Ken Huey

[Anonymous]

TigerEye wrote:Psy, I absolutely agree with you! There are lots of community interventions to be tried, and we did (mostly against my kid's will, too, by the way - I never got his full cooperation). Let's see, some of the things that contributed to the placement decision were fire-setting (he was facing criminal charges when he was placed), violent threats against school personnel, self-harm, drug use and drug sales, truancy, theft, non-compliance with curfew, etc. I suspect it is never an easy decision to place a child residentially, but there you are - my kid was a threat to himself and others, including the family.

Tiger Eye I examined your posts.  You are a new user whose posts are all in CALO threads in lieu of controversy surrounding Ken Huey.  Therein lies a strong case you're a staff at CALO trying to do damage control.  It will not work on Fornits because everyone can smell bullshit.

[psy]

 
Well, this is the paradoxical thinking we are asked to embrace when dealing with programs, isn't it?  On one hand the program says "We don't take violent, dangerous or criminal kids" and on the other hand the parents say "My kid would have been in jail or in a lockdown psych facility."  One of you isn't being honest.

Yeah.  A friend I was talking to on the phone yesterday who was reading the same thread had a very hard time believing that if these kids are truly violent, and truly dangers to themselves... that they would just give up and go to CALO without a fight.  Considering that these are supposedly the profile of kids that attend CALO, I find it hard to believe that there has never been a physical confrontation involved in order to convince a teen to go with the CALO staff. Maybe it's possible, as is everything, but it certainly doesn't strike me as probable unless CALO staff have some sort of magic compliance gaining wand.

[psy]

Tiger Eye I examined your posts.  You are a new user whose posts are all in CALO threads in lieu of controversy surrounding Ken Huey.  Therein lies a strong case you're a staff at CALO trying to do damage control.  It will not work on Fornits because everyone can smell bullshit.

No.  She (i assume by the writing style) is who she says she is.  From the issues she said her son had, I assume she's a calo parent who posted on another thread as a guest.  The only difference is that she is now registered.  Nothing in her posts sounds suspicious in the least, either.  Sometimes bullshit detectors are wrong.

[Anonymous]

unless CALO staff have some sort of magic compliance gaining wand.

Like a cattle prod?

[TigerEye]

Tiger Eye I examined your posts.  You are a new user whose posts are all in CALO threads in lieu of controversy surrounding Ken Huey.  Therein lies a strong case you're a staff at CALO trying to do damage control.  It will not work on Fornits because everyone can smell bullshit.

No.  She (i assume by the writing style) is who she says she is.  From the issues she said her son had, I assume she's a calo parent who posted on another thread as a guest.  The only difference is that she is now registered.  Nothing in her posts sounds suspicious in the least, either.  Sometimes bullshit detectors are wrong.

Right you are, Psy. I got tired of posting as a guest because of the stupid little letters/numbers thing you have to type, and they are so hard to read, I kept getting them wrong.

I imagine that most folks get their kids to RTC as a couple - in other words, two people escorting one. I had some fear and trepidation about getting my kid to CALO, but he was going there from a wilderness program, so half the battle was won - we were already out West. He was pretty furious about going, but he went nevertheless, because he saw no way around it.

Guess what? Last weekend when I saw him he said that after CALO he wants to go back to the wilderness program, because the people there were "chill."  Go figure....

[TigerEye]

TigerEye wrote:Psy, I absolutely agree with you! There are lots of community interventions to be tried, and we did (mostly against my kid's will, too, by the way - I never got his full cooperation). Let's see, some of the things that contributed to the placement decision were fire-setting (he was facing criminal charges when he was placed), violent threats against school personnel, self-harm, drug use and drug sales, truancy, theft, non-compliance with curfew, etc. I suspect it is never an easy decision to place a child residentially, but there you are - my kid was a threat to himself and others, including the family.

Tiger Eye I examined your posts.  You are a new user whose posts are all in CALO threads in lieu of controversy surrounding Ken Huey.  Therein lies a strong case you're a staff at CALO trying to do damage control.  It will not work on Fornits because everyone can smell bullshit.

Whatever...

[M_Hilton]

hmm CALO is in Lake of the Ozarks
im like 1-2 hours from there  

temped to go up there one day see for my self

[TigerEye]

hmm CALO is in Lake of the Ozarks
im like 1-2 hours from there  

temped to go up there one day see for my self

As a tourist?

[Anonymous]

Right you are, Psy. I got tired of posting as a guest because of the stupid little letters/numbers thing you have to type, and they are so hard to read, I kept getting them wrong.

I imagine that most folks get their kids to RTC as a couple - in other words, two people escorting one. I had some fear and trepidation about getting my kid to CALO, but he was going there from a wilderness program, so half the battle was won - we were already out West. He was pretty furious about going, but he went nevertheless, because he saw no way around it.

Guess what? Last weekend when I saw him he said that after CALO he wants to go back to the wilderness program, because the people there were "chill." Go figure....

Did Ken Huey explain to you that "bent wrist control with variations" were a part of PCS?

[psy]

I imagine that most folks get their kids to RTC as a couple - in other words, two people escorting one. I had some fear and trepidation about getting my kid to CALO, but he was going there from a wilderness program, so half the battle was won - we were already out West. He was pretty furious about going, but he went nevertheless, because he saw no way around it.

So he was escorted to Wilderness?  How did he get to CALO from wilderness?

Guess what? Last weekend when I saw him he said that after CALO he wants to go back to the wilderness program, because the people there were "chill."  Go figure....

Don't you think that's a little bit strange.  One of the issues I have with programs is that they really don't seem like they prepare kids for the real world.

[M_Hilton]

hmm CALO is in Lake of the Ozarks
im like 1-2 hours from there  

temped to go up there one day see for my self

As a tourist?

yes in a way
id like to know what really goes on
and why not?
if every thing is on the level whats wrong with letting some one take a look around and ask the kids a few questions?

[Troll Control]

Dear Lizard Tits, aka Ken Hooey.

I know why you are posting here. It isn't going to work, unlike you, I'm not that big of an idiot.  We'll just have to wait and see what the future brings. We both know it won't be much longer.


As for Blombro:

CALO is every bit as toxic and disturbing as Thayer is and ever will be. You giving them any credit is a slap in the face to all of those kids jacked up in a bent wrist arm lock and thrown face first on the ground.


To the rest:

Keep in mind Mr. Ken Hooey has to protect his revenue flow. What businessman hasn't lied about his dealings to protect his profits? Don't be taken in by this scumbag.

Very nice and respectful language - Che. It is one way to avoid intelligent dialogue, eh?

One thing that comes to mind when thinking about the question "are kids free to leave" is this: are kids free to leave ANYWHERE? If my kid gets mad or upset about life in our home s/he isn't free to go. Also, in the public school they attend, they are not "free" to leave campus during the school day.

I have attended several of the CALO peer group sessions discussed earlier on this thread. There is no "screaming" or confrontation and if somebody doesn't want to talk, they can just sit there. At least two coaches are there to keep things respectful and on track, I suppose. CALO is not Elan or Family Foundation.

Most of the posters here disagree with the principle of RTCs in general, and are hell-bent to find specific "bad" things at CALO. Give it a break! And with regard to RTCs in general - if not a place like CALO, what do its detractors suggest instead? In our case it would have been jail or a lock-down psych facility.

Well, this is the paradoxical thinking we are asked to embrace when dealing with programs, isn't it?  On one hand the program says "We don't take violent, dangerous or criminal kids" and on the other hand the parents say "My kid would have been in jail or in a lockdown psych facility."  One of you isn't being honest.  

You can't say that your kid was such a danger to self or others that s/he couldn't remain at home and say at the same time that CALO is a safe environment that doesn't take kids with severe problems.  Either your kid isn't that bad and you're exaggerating (for the record I believe you) or CALO accepts dangerous and violent criminals (for the record I believe this is true).

One way or the other, we're asked to wilfully suspend disbelief in one case or the other and both statements can't be true, as they are mutually exclusive premises.

I also agree with Psy that it sounds like CALO does not use any clinically appropriate therapies.  Parents should never be allowed to sit in on group sessions (it violates so many privacy laws and ethical principles) and the people facilitating the groups have no educational basis upon which to perform this duty.

From just what Ken Huey and this one parent have posted, I can state unequivocally that CALO is not the place to send children.  Ken, Tiger, you've shot CALO in the foot trying to support it.

Tiger Eye, what's your response to this?  Does CALO accept dangerous children (you said yours was an arsonist, I believe)?  How about court-ordered kids?  What about convicted felons?

[TigerEye]

I imagine that most folks get their kids to RTC as a couple - in other words, two people escorting one. I had some fear and trepidation about getting my kid to CALO, but he was going there from a wilderness program, so half the battle was won - we were already out West. He was pretty furious about going, but he went nevertheless, because he saw no way around it.

So he was escorted to Wilderness?  How did he get to CALO from wilderness?

Guess what? Last weekend when I saw him he said that after CALO he wants to go back to the wilderness program, because the people there were "chill."  Go figure....

Don't you think that's a little bit strange.  One of the issues I have with programs is that they really don't seem like they prepare kids for the real world.

Well, I escorted him myself to wilderness and then to CALO. I tried to be straight with him and he knew he was out of options. He was very pissed and didn't want to be near me, but it worked out ok.
In terms of "what next," I think they do prepare the kids and parents for the next steps, but, hell, the kid is 15. I was semi-delusional at that age, too. (I even ran away to Mexico thinking a could get a job there!!)

[TigerEye]

hmm CALO is in Lake of the Ozarks
im like 1-2 hours from there  

temped to go up there one day see for my self

As a tourist?

yes in a way
id like to know what really goes on
and why not?
if every thing is on the level whats wrong with letting some one take a look around and ask the kids a few questions?

I can think of lots of reasons - safety and privacy, to name a couple. It's not like visiting Mount Rushmore...

[TigerEye]

Dear Lizard Tits, aka Ken Hooey.

I know why you are posting here. It isn't going to work, unlike you, I'm not that big of an idiot.  We'll just have to wait and see what the future brings. We both know it won't be much longer.


As for Blombro:

CALO is every bit as toxic and disturbing as Thayer is and ever will be. You giving them any credit is a slap in the face to all of those kids jacked up in a bent wrist arm lock and thrown face first on the ground.


To the rest:

Keep in mind Mr. Ken Hooey has to protect his revenue flow. What businessman hasn't lied about his dealings to protect his profits? Don't be taken in by this scumbag.

Very nice and respectful language - Che. It is one way to avoid intelligent dialogue, eh?

One thing that comes to mind when thinking about the question "are kids free to leave" is this: are kids free to leave ANYWHERE? If my kid gets mad or upset about life in our home s/he isn't free to go. Also, in the public school they attend, they are not "free" to leave campus during the school day.

I have attended several of the CALO peer group sessions discussed earlier on this thread. There is no "screaming" or confrontation and if somebody doesn't want to talk, they can just sit there. At least two coaches are there to keep things respectful and on track, I suppose. CALO is not Elan or Family Foundation.

Most of the posters here disagree with the principle of RTCs in general, and are hell-bent to find specific "bad" things at CALO. Give it a break! And with regard to RTCs in general - if not a place like CALO, what do its detractors suggest instead? In our case it would have been jail or a lock-down psych facility.

Well, this is the paradoxical thinking we are asked to embrace when dealing with programs, isn't it?  On one hand the program says "We don't take violent, dangerous or criminal kids" and on the other hand the parents say "My kid would have been in jail or in a lockdown psych facility."  One of you isn't being honest.  

You can't say that your kid was such a danger to self or others that s/he couldn't remain at home and say at the same time that CALO is a safe environment that doesn't take kids with severe problems.  Either your kid isn't that bad and you're exaggerating (for the record I believe you) or CALO accepts dangerous and violent criminals (for the record I believe this is true).

One way or the other, we're asked to wilfully suspend disbelief in one case or the other and both statements can't be true, as they are mutually exclusive premises.

I also agree with Psy that it sounds like CALO does not use any clinically appropriate therapies.  Parents should never be allowed to sit in on group sessions (it violates so many privacy laws and ethical principles) and the people facilitating the groups have no educational basis upon which to perform this duty.

From just what Ken Huey and this one parent have posted, I can state unequivocally that CALO is not the place to send children.  Ken, Tiger, you've shot CALO in the foot trying to support it.

Tiger Eye, what's your response to this?  Does CALO accept dangerous children (you said yours was an arsonist, I believe)?  How about court-ordered kids?  What about convicted felons?

I dunno - you should ask CALO. My son, in a controlled environment, is not dangerous to himself or others. The wilderness program was worried about the fire issue (!) but in the end, his counselors correctly concluded that it would not be an issue there.