Treatment Abuse, Behavior Modification, Thought Reform > The Ridge Creek School / Hidden Lake Academy
John David Reuben's Son, Max Reuben and HLA
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--- Quote from: "Guest" ---If it was bad parenting or bad genes at least the kid got the benefit of a fresh start and was given a few more years. I feel bad for the parents who cannot afford to get their kids help and they lose their kids to drugs even earlier. Hopefully this new healthcare plan will be able help more of these parents out.
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You cant even say it is bad genes either. No one can adjust their parenting style to effect a desired outcome. If a parent tries the best they can they cant make a kid become a priest if the kid isnt up for it. Kids are going to be what they are going to be. The best a parent can do is guide them. If the kids are broken then maybe they need to be broken down further and reassembled again and that is what programs do. Simple Behavior modification (like time outs, or being grounded) isnt going to be effective for some teens. Some kids dont do well in programs but what is the alternative? Let them off themselves earlier?
Overall it is the best alternative for many families.
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This is idiotic. If a kid is going to "off himself" he needs to be in a PSYCH HOSPITAL not a teen warehouse. This is why they "off themselves" later. No help is offered at HLA or ASR, etc so the kid still has the same problems when he gets home. Instead of getting real help the patrents just kick the can down the road a ways, like John Reuben did,
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Usually, they off themselves because of torture (brainwashing) designed to detroy them mentally, like that at Hidde Lake Academy, CEDU torture-cult division.
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Actually in almost every case the suicides (and attempts) are due to problems from their personal life, caused by genetic characteristics which were hard coded at birth. They have nothing to do with upbringing or the effects of a program.
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If I were John Reuben (a coward, a professional torturer) I'd want to hide from my responsibility in causing my own son's death, also, but please don't make shit up as you go along; it gets ridiculous.
Alternatively, please, the link to this extraordinary scientific discovery that “almost all” personal problems and suicides have been proved to be caused by genetic coding?
Anonymous:
I'll just add, while I'm here, what has been proved, scientifically, is that human "personality" and what theIt calls "personal problems" are almost always completely caused by environment and thus can be altered or induced in predicable and consistent ways-- something any first year psych student can tell ya.
TheWho:
--- Quote ---Alternatively, please, the link to this extraordinary scientific discovery that “almost all” personal problems and suicides have been proved to be caused by genetic coding?
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The poster just before me stated:
--- Quote ---Usually, they off themselves because of torture (brainwashing) designed to detroy them mentally, like that at Hidde Lake Academy, CEDU torture-cult division.
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After he posts his link to the scientific study that supports “Usually... because of torture”.... you must have missed that one. I am sure you want to be fair and not present a double standard.
Anonymous:
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--- Quote ---Alternatively, please, the link to this extraordinary scientific discovery that “almost all” personal problems and suicides have been proved to be caused by genetic coding?
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The poster just before me stated:
--- Quote ---Usually, they off themselves because of torture (brainwashing) designed to detroy them mentally, like that at Hidde Lake Academy, CEDU torture-cult division.
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After he posts his link to the scientific study that supports “Usually... because of torture”.... you must have missed that one. I am sure you want to be fair and not present a double standard.
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Are you looking for links to studies confirming thought reform, imprisonment (particularly the without due process kind) torture, abduction, or coercive persuasion causes suicide, extreem psychiatric problem , social marginalization, etc ? Sure...comin' up...
Anonymous:
some things you might not know:
At HLA, Max was constantly insisting to me and a number of other people that his mom's death was caused deliberately by his father. not murder per se, but as an indirect result of his dad's actions. i'm not revealing the details.
Max also smoked quite a bit of weed with me at HLA. i smuggled it in a variety of ways - in special deoderant, my shoes, through staff, and freinds that would dead-drop the stuff on the property in the middle of the night for me to pick up the next day while on restrictions or doing activities. we'd smoke it under the desks using the ol' fabric softener in a toilet paper tube method, in the bathroom at lower left or we'd just sneak away either at lower left or by the lake into the woods. it was really easy, after 05' there was a total lack of staff supervision and it just got better for us when the lawsuit hit. other kids snuck in all sorts of stuff, but i must admire max for staying away from it: coke smuggled in vaginas and anuses, meth and LSD sprayed onto pages of books, ecstacy smuggled inside stuffed animals and shoes, some kid even brought tar heroin once, flattened down to look like the rubber underlining of his shoe sole. that kid ate most of it but was able to steal a syringe from a diabetic and a lighter from me near the end of his stash. staff are just oblivious.
on another point, there are plenty of kids who stayed there much longer than two years. everytime a peergroup is graduating the counselors try to convince all the parents to keep the kid postgrad untill they graduate high school. every kid's parents are talked to, in the hopes of retaining at least one or two from every peer group. why? because keeping postgrads around costs less as they require less supervision and less therapy; they are "positives" to the rest of the gen pop, yet the school collects just as money for keeping them. counselors as a result get bonuses for every kid they retain postgrad. i know kids that were stuck for a 27 month program and then stayed postgrad anyway. (27 months - it was originally 21 months but then HLA cancelled december graduation and forced those kids to graduate six months later). i know a kid that has spent nearly forty months at HLA. steven gioa.
I'm not sure if they still do postgrad, but it's very likely max reuben spent all that time at HLA. he got there, from what i remember, in 8th grade. facing the prospect of an HLA grad entering 11th grade in a regular school (THE sex and drugs year according to HLA) he could have been there that long easily.
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