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John David Reuben's Son, Max Reuben and HLA

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Troll Control:

--- Quote from: "Guest" ---Max Reuben is the second son of John D. Reuben of "SavingTeens.org" (STICC).  Max was sent to HLA from 2004 to 2008.

His brother, Mike, was sent to SUWS and then to ASR.  Because his real issues were never dealt with at these kiddie prisons, he killed himself last year with an overdose of heroin.  Prior to going to SUWS and ASR, Mike had never been a drug abuser.  He became one after four years of detention.

Did any of you go to HLA with Max?  If so, I'd like to know if HLA allowed him to attend his mother's funeral.

HLA uses family tragedies to gain compliance from their detainees.  They will say things like "If you want to go to your mom's funeral, you better straighten up right now, or you won't go!"  Nothing like mind-raping a kid who just lost his mom, right?

Did any of you know Max well?  Did you meet his dad?  If so, what was his dad like in person?  On fornits he's a little coward 'who' hides behind his supposed anonymity and degrades people who had bad experiences at HLA and ASR, even though his neglect and ASR's abuse led to his son's death.

I just wonder what kind of parent does such a lousy job of raising his kids that they both 'needed' kiddie jail time.

Any feedback is appreciated, especially about how HLA handles Max's mom's death.

Thank you in advance for your thoughtful replies.
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QFT.  Stay away from John Reuben and 'STICC'!

TheWho:
Does anyone know is 4 years the average stay for HLA?  Has anyone else here gone for that long?

TheWho:

--- Quote --- I just wonder what kind of parent does such a lousy job of raising his kids that they both 'needed' kiddie jail time.
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The majority of kids who attend a program have siblings who are doing just fine.  So the quality of the parenting isn’t a common denominator or potential cause of the child needing placement.  They are normal families who happen to have kids who are at risk.  Also you are one of the few here who recognize that the kids are in need of help (or kiddie jail time as you call it).  Many here feel the children are placed unnecessarily or dont need help at all.

TheWho:

--- Quote ---Because his real issues were never dealt with at these kiddie prisons, he killed himself last year with an overdose of heroin.
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How was this determined?  Did the boy leave a note ?

RobertBruce:
There was a kid there who was incarcerated for I believe five years. There was also several kids who got through the entire waste of time program only to be sent right back. This is of course only more evidence that proves what little benefits are provided from being locked up in this and other kiddie prisons. The other option counselors there had was to "drop" kids. This meant dropping them into a lower peer group, doing so meant the kid could stay locked up indefintly.

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