Treatment Abuse, Behavior Modification, Thought Reform > The Troubled Teen Industry
WASSPS'S Loving Care
Anonymous:
I'm not here to burst anyone's bubble, really! There are parents on campus every single day! No knowledge of Dundee, but considering it was in Costa Rica, that probably isn't the same thing. I was driving to Salt Lake City and stopped by Cross Creek. As I'd been there many times before, I was able to go unannounced. It was around dinner time, so they didn't prepare anything "special" and it was very good, balanced and plentiful. I was the only parent there at that point. They didn't have "time" to prepare whatever it is you think they do for visitors.
Going to pull your kid. The staff see that a child isn't ready, so I'm sure I would do the same thing and do my job of getting my opinion known. That doesn't make any sense to not be able to get your child at will. THey are not a prison/jail, so all they need is proof of parental rights and they can do anything they want. Of course they would try and talk a parent out of it, unless the kid was doing REALLY well. That's my opinion. If an RTC anywhere doesn't do this, I'd be really surprised.
On the LOVE - WOW! Heart and soul! It's great to know there are people that get paid for doing what they love.
Anonymous:
TB Enrollment Agreement Item #13:
"...Visits may occur after the student has earned Level 4, has been in the School/Program a minimum of three months, has had several successful phone calls, and has been approved by the Family Representative, and Staff Team. The first visit may only be approved for just on-grounds, as determined by the School/Program. Sponsors understand and agree to follow the School/Progream's visit and comunication policies. Sponsors further agree that if they violate the School/Program's communication and visit policies the School/Program may at their option discharge the student, and yet still hold the Sponsors financially accountable and responsible for the tuition on the remainder of the contract period (see Item #3)and/or the time that would equal proper written notice (see Item #33)."
TB Parent Manual, Pages 22-23
"Once your child reaches Level 4 your child is eligible for family day visits. Visits are an earned privilege for the students, so we ask for your support in waiting until your child is on Level 4 before arranging a visit. It is important for your child to earn this privilege. It is also important that we set an example by ahering to the program rules ourselves. For this reason, we ask that you refrain from requesting any exceptions, as it negatively affects not only your child's progress, but the other student's in the Program. This was agreed to as part of our accepting the girl in the Program. (See Enrollment Agreement #13). Visitors other than parents must be approved by the parents and the Family Representative, who, together, will determine the structure of the visit. All visits (on grounds, off grounds, and home visits) are scheduled with the Family Representative. The initial visit will only be approved if the telephone calls with the parents have been productive.
When your child reaches Level 5 she is eligible for overnight visits. The Family Representative will confer with the Treatment Team to determine eligibility.
When your child achieves Level 6 home visits are encouraged. Home visits are not considered before the student is on Level 6. Home visits are determined on an inividual basis according to your child's progress."
Judy
Anonymous:
--- Quote ---On 2003-08-16 19:25:00, spots wrote:
"This is an exchange I initiated on voyforums. I really wanted an answer, and not for the sole purpose of knowing what to fight. I really wanted an answer. Every so often, I am exhausted by the fight, and every so often, I wonder if there could be any goodness in WWASPS's treatment.
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rivergait
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Date Posted: 12:17:40 08/14/03 Thu
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I hear continually from parents (not kids) in WWASPS about how the program "loves" the kids, how the staffers surround them with "love".
This is not a flippant request. Can you give me some examples of what love is from a stranger? What happens to change an employee of a firm into a lover of his charges? Somehow I can't see even a devoted mentor teacher in a university setting "loving" a student. Is this a variation of Tough Love?
As I said, this is not a flippant request. I'd really like to know why some parents feel this way.
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Gail
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Date Posted: 13:17:55 08/15/03 Fri
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Rivergait - what is love from a "stranger." The staff are not "strangers." The love comes not from the outside, but from the inside, the heart. They see the good in our kids even when they don't see it themselves. They listen, they encourage, they're never too busy to stop what they're doing and take time for whatever they need. They say, "YOU CAN" - They see when they are making good decisions and acknowledge them for it, not just with points, but with their words. They use their own time, and often money, to take them on off campus activities. They have a spirit of "we", not "us and them." Some are not texbook teachers, but life experience teachers and role models. Talk to any grad and they will tell you more.
I was around them enough to know they truly do love each one even when the kids don't love themselves. It's not the "program" that loves them, it's the person in ways that I can't properly explain. You'd only need to experience it yourself to understand.
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I was surprised by the "truthfulness" of Gail in her response. I believe she really believes. To the survivors who post here, what do you think? [and I expect an explosion of hate] ...but were there ever times, or staffers, who were nice to you? Was there *ever* a time when you were allowed off-campus time, i.e., paid for by a loving staffers own money, etc.?
Signed, Sue Kolbo, "Woodbury Groupie (not PURE) by way of reading strugglingteens more than PURE.
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Sue, I can't help but notice that after 2 days and many posts on this thread, your original question has not been answered.
Maybe we can try again...
Judy
Anonymous:
Thanks Judy - these are recommendations only. Good try. Show me where parents give up parental rights. That happens only when they are incarcerated in the legal system. Please be clear - are you a controller? Or you gotta be right? which is it?
Anonymous:
--- Quote ---On 2003-08-18 17:12:00, Anonymous wrote:
"Thanks Judy - these are recommendations only. Good try. Show me where parents give up parental rights. That happens only when they are incarcerated in the legal system. Please be clear - are you a controller? Or you gotta be right? which is it?"
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I simply typed word for word from 2 wwasp documents, didn't offer any personal statements. So how does that make me a controller who's gotta be right?
Or are you attacking me because of what any reasonable person can read between those lines? I hope that is the case. It shows you are still somewhat capable of critical thinking.
Judy
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