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John D. Reuben and SavingTeens.org
RobertBruce:
The conversation already existed upon my arrival. The question was how effective was ASR for John's son. He attempted to claim that it was effective but the fact that he just a few short years later killed himself would suggest otherwise. I was simply pointing out that fact.
DannyB II:
--- Quote from: "RobertBruce" ---The conversation already existed upon my arrival. The question was how effective was ASR for John's son. He attempted to claim that it was effective but the fact that he just a few short years later killed himself would suggest otherwise. I was simply pointing out that fact.
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So what, the conversation already existed. There are a lot of conversations on this site that exist, that are completely despicable, you really want to be associated with a post about a fathers dead son and you were harassing the father.
This whole topic since I have heard about it just makes me sick, I am a parent of a son. God, I would loose my mind if I lost my son never mind hear you harassing me about it.
What difference does it make what Whooter or anyone else said or did not say, you really think this is a humane topic to be harassing them about. Is nothing off limits????? Does it matter if someone did bring it up, that gives you the right to use this info anyway you want. You just have to continuously point out that a fathers son died. All in the effort to make your point.
Just think about it, don't you think this is a bit callous.
RobertBruce:
Again, my treatment of John is no different than the treatment he swears by that happens every day to 1000's of kids who are locked up. Forcing him to be accountable for his actions is something he has to accept.
Now the topic at hand is was ASR affective for John's son. What are your thoughts?
Watchful Yeoman:
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--- Quote from: "John D. Reuben" ---"In 2004, when I found out Michael had drug problems, I founded Saving Teens in Crisis Collaborative to help disadvantaged youths participate in programs too expensive for them."
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John, when you discovered Mike had a drug problem, instead of founding STICC to help other kids, you should have supported your son by getting him medically-based treatment for his drug problem. Why would anyone faced with this situation start a business instead of focusing on their own child's problem? Don't you see that your refusal to get directly involved in Mike's life is what drove him to drugs in the first place? Then your solution to this was to have him locked up instead of put into scientifically proven therapy?
John, is this one of the "STICCy results that last a lifetime"? I guess it is if "lifetime" means "22 years."
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This marketing spin makes me nauseous. We're talking about HUMAN BEINGS here, John. I know the conscienceless, like yourself, see children as commodities, but this is WAY out of line. You disgust me, sir.
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Of course you are nauseous. That is because you are weak and lack foresight like most people. See the problem is you miss the bigger picture. You think small and think problems can be solved by hugging people. People and kids dont need hugs they need solutions, they need to know someone is in control and can make them feel safe. Most parents jump in and try to save their child by getting involved in their lives. But the truth is it is too late at this point to save them by this approach because they have traveled too far down the path. The parents should have been more involved all along. So instead of taking the road everyone else was taking another option was to start a business around the problem. This way you not only get help for your child but you find you are able to raise money for other kids to be placed and after the smoke settles 2 things occur:
1. It doesn’t cost a dime for treatment and
2. You can actually reverse the flow and have a few coins end up back in your pocket to boot.
You need to always keep a level head and look for opportunity when others are panicking. This is key and is the Hallmark of successful people. Whenever something is going terribly bad try to think about how you can profit by it and turn it around into something good. I have always been a firm believer that there exists a silver lining in every situation. It is our jobs to find it and utilize it or someone else will.
As far as trying to find something scientifically proven, that is hogwash. By the time any good set of studies are completed the treatment is outdated and people have moved on to something more "leading edge". Hell they still cant figure out how bees fly but that doesnt prevent us from enjoying the honey.
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Confession #2 for the week. whooter now admits he never paid any money to the TTI, but did make money from it. I knew it.
Anne Bonney:
--- Quote from: "Whooter" --- Whenever something is going terribly bad try to think about how you can profit by it and turn it around into something good.
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Just that right there says quite a bit. Sorry Whooter, but if I had a child die, by whatever means, (and that's what we were talking about, whether it's you or somebody else doesn't even matter) my first thought would not be of how I could profit from it. I don't think it would be my one millionth thought. But, I guess that's a fundamental difference between you and I. I wouldn't view my child's death as a business opportunity.
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