Treatment Abuse, Behavior Modification, Thought Reform > Aspen Education Group
John D. Reuben and SavingTeens.org
Whooter:
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Yeah, yeah.....we know....you're just a simple survivor parent claiming to have raised an at-risk teen. ::)
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And my monetary motive would be....what?
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You are the one who brought up the money I didnt. Maybe you would deny your daughter help because you want to protect your retirement nest egg and denied her help hoping she would make it through somehow on her own, who knows, you may be selfish. Many parents don't want to gamble on their childs outcome and seek help for them proactively. But you brought it up not me.
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Anne Bonney:
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Yeah, yeah.....we know....you're just a simple survivor parent claiming to have raised an at-risk teen. ::)
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And my monetary motive would be....what?
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You are the one who brought up the money I didnt. Maybe you would deny your daughter help because you want to protect your retirement nest egg and denied her help hoping she would make it through somehow on her own, who knows, you may be selfish.
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Well, that might explain a decision not to place her in a program (although that wasn't it...I wasn't about to subject her to the bullshit that I was), but it sure wouldn't explain my continued posting here - unlike you. If you are John Reuben, then you have a monetary interest in staying here to defend the industry itself because you've decided to make your living off of it, even though it at the very least, it didn't help your son and at the worst contributed to his despair. How sad for him.
--- Quote ---Many parents don't want to gamble on their childs outcome and seek help for them proactively. But you brought it up not me.
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Oh, it wasn't a gamble. I knew damn well that placing her in one of those shitholes would do much more damage than good. That's probably the one good thing that came out of my time at Straight.....I definitely knew what NOT to do.
Whooter:
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Well, that might explain a decision not to place her in a program (although that wasn't it...I wasn't about to subject her to the bullshit that I was), but it sure wouldn't explain my continued posting here - unlike you. If you are John Reuben, then you have a monetary interest in staying here to defend the industry itself because you've decided to make your living off of it, even though it at the very least, it didn't help your son and at the worst contributed to his despair. How sad for him.
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I think it is probably good for him to keep busy with his business and trying to help other kids. I am not sure what I would do in similar circumstances. Having a child die before you do must be hard, I cant imagine going through that.
--- Quote ---Oh, it wasn't a gamble. I knew damn well that placing her in one of those shitholes would do much more damage than good. That's probably the one good thing that came out of my time at Straight.....I definitely knew what NOT to do.
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...and I think that is what all parents need to do is go with their experiences in life when it comes to raising their children. No two circumstances are the same. You swear by your decision not to send your child while others swear by their decision to send their child. Some parents who decide not to send their child is the right decision and others turn out not to be. The same with programs, some kids are helped by them and others are not.
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Anne Bonney:
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Well, that might explain a decision not to place her in a program (although that wasn't it...I wasn't about to subject her to the bullshit that I was), but it sure wouldn't explain my continued posting here - unlike you. If you are John Reuben, then you have a monetary interest in staying here to defend the industry itself because you've decided to make your living off of it, even though it at the very least, it didn't help your son and at the worst contributed to his despair. How sad for him.
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I think it is probably good for him to keep busy with his business and trying to help other kids.
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Help them how? Aspen obviously didn't help Mike Reuben, yet his father insists on shilling for the very programs that not only didn't help, but more than likely contributed to his despair. To subject a truly "troubled" child to the kinds of attack methods and LGAT psycho-babble sessions that Aspen uses is like pouring gasoline on a fire. Hell, Aspen even stated that they provide no treatment so why send someone who honestly IS troubled into a mindfuck like LGAT attack "therapy" sessions that are specifically designed to break a kid down.....yanno, for their own good. ::)
Of all tyrannies, a tyranny exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It may be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron’s cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience. ~~ C.S. Lewis
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Maybe these are the "STICCy results that last a lifetime" that Reuben offers to these kiddies?
--- Quote from: "STICC" ---The Sexually Transmitted Infections Community Coalition (STICC) is a partnership of over thirty public and private stakeholders in the metropolitan area who have a common interest to reduce the impact of sexually transmitted infections (STIs)*, including HIV, in the community.
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I guess "itchy and burning results that last a lifetime," too.
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