Treatment Abuse, Behavior Modification, Thought Reform > Aspen Education Group
John D. Reuben and SavingTeens.org
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John's son, 'who' was forced into two abusive programs, SUWS and ASR, did not receive the help he desperately needed from the unlicensed, unseducated staff of SUWS and ASR, but he was able to make it through, getting out at age 18. Since the boy's legitimate psychological issues were never addressed while he was detained by for-profit quacks, his family bond was destroyed and when he came home from ASR he estranged himself from John and went back to his old behaviors (as almost every teen does after being detained by quacks) and got much more deeply into much harder drugs, turning to heroin to get his fix and escape from his terrible problems that his father refused to seek legitimate treatment for.
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Can we just add, we don't know that this boy killed himself because he failed to get help?
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No, it was his father's responsibility to get him real help. Medical and psychological help, but daddy was too busy trying to break himself into the Teen Hurt business. So he sent Mike to SUWS and ASR, both of which are abusive programs populated by staff with no education that act basically as correctional officers.
Just look at daddy's words above. He wanted to forget about his son's problems, not get involved with them. So he sent him to a behavior mod facility instead of a treatment center or outpatient center. Believe me, TheWho is all about himself and nobody else. Here, look at this shamelss plug and product placement. Plugging SavingTeens.org on an orthodics website?
TheWho's shameless plug
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I see your point. Yes, it makes sense to get medical help, not quack help.
I am saying that deaths post-program are usually caused by the after effects of torture, and long term imprisonment, not because of a past failure of appropriate psychological intervention. With the exception of medication to control hallucinations, psychiatry is not as effective in helping people as people think. It's friends, life opportunities, leaving an abusive house, etc, that "helps" "troubled" teens, and people in general. Studies show, actually, that psychiatry is pretty ineffective, in general
I am also saying that "quackery" and medical help are not as diametrically opposed as you think. Some of us, me for example, were referred to torture chambers by psychiatrists, and a lot of these places have educated (though insufficiently educated) “therapists” on board. Having "qualified" people on board is no indication that a program is not a torture chambers. The torture (behavior modification) simply continues around them,(without their knowledge, or with their knowledge, but not censure) or they over see it in an "official capacity."
I don't thinkp arents should feel that they need to "act now" and get “medical help” when their son starts skipping school or whatever lest their kid wdie. That is the unintentional suggestion if we say because Thewho failed to get his son psychiatric intervention, thewho's son died. :peace:
Troll Control:
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John's son, 'who' was forced into two abusive programs, SUWS and ASR, did not receive the help he desperately needed from the unlicensed, unseducated staff of SUWS and ASR, but he was able to make it through, getting out at age 18. Since the boy's legitimate psychological issues were never addressed while he was detained by for-profit quacks, his family bond was destroyed and when he came home from ASR he estranged himself from John and went back to his old behaviors (as almost every teen does after being detained by quacks) and got much more deeply into much harder drugs, turning to heroin to get his fix and escape from his terrible problems that his father refused to seek legitimate treatment for.
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Can we just add, we don't know that this boy killed himself because he failed to get help?
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No, it was his father's responsibility to get him real help. Medical and psychological help, but daddy was too busy trying to break himself into the Teen Hurt business. So he sent Mike to SUWS and ASR, both of which are abusive programs populated by staff with no education that act basically as correctional officers.
Just look at daddy's words above. He wanted to forget about his son's problems, not get involved with them. So he sent him to a behavior mod facility instead of a treatment center or outpatient center. Believe me, TheWho is all about himself and nobody else. Here, look at this shamelss plug and product placement. Plugging SavingTeens.org on an orthodics website?
TheWho's shameless plug
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Sorry! The above link points to Whooter's employer.
Here's the shameless plug I was referring to.
TheWho:
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Many of you know one of the top issues I have with the posters here was their definition of abuse. Many say they were abused by a program. But, you claim that my arguments and questioning is abusive to you. This is why we question whether or not you were abused in the program because you don’t understand what abuse is. By your own definition I have suffered more abuse than any of you, through the name calling and harassment, continual attempts to find out who I am etc. So by “Your” definition since I am here and still posting I am a survivor. But I don’t consider it abuse I consider it debate/ argument, but being the opportunists that many can be you like to feel if you lose an argument then you must have been abused. RobertBruce is a prime example. He feels I have abused him here. So when he turns around and says he was abused in a program what are we to think? That he lost an argument to a staff member? Someone called him on a lie?
You are doing a big disservice to children who actually do suffer child abuse throughout this country by redefining it the way you do and watering down its impact.
Troll Control:
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Many of you know one of the top issues I have with the posters here was their definition of abuse. Many say they were abused by a program. But, you claim that my arguments and questioning is abusive to you. This is why we question whether or not you were abused in the program because you don’t understand what abuse is. By your own definition I have suffered more abuse than any of you, through the name calling and harassment, continual attempts to find out who I am etc. So by “Your” definition since I am here and still posting I am a survivor. But I don’t consider it abuse I consider it debate/ argument, but being the opportunists that many can be you like to feel if you lose an argument then you must have been abused. RobertBruce is a prime example. He feels I have abused him here. So when he turns around and says he was abused in a program what are we to think? That he lost an argument to a staff member? Someone called him on a lie?
You are doing a big disservice to children who actually do suffer child abuse throughout this country by redefining it the way you do and watering down its impact.
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Log in, shitbag. And cut the sanctimonius bullshit. Your legacy is cemented. And I'm going to distribute your "work" to everyone who associates with you and your business.
You're a survivor? You're the fucking cause.
Are you forgetting the obvious glee you have gotten from taunting people here who have been through abusive programs? Are you forgetting that you tried to publish RobertBruce's true identity and items from his alleged 'treatment plan'? You are a disgusting piece of garbage. You can't polish that shitpile, Whooter.
I warned you several times not to open the can clearly marked "Do Not Open," but in your smug arrogance you opened up that can on yourself. Now you will take responsibility and deal with the fallout. Nobody will ever Google "John Reuben" or your child abbatoir 'STICC' again without seeing how hard you worked on degrading and debasing abused children. Every time someone does a search on you they will see you here calling children 'dog fuckers' and accusing them of having 'gay issues.' Tough luck, lightweight. Fuck with the bull and you get the horns.
Personally, I'd like to bash your fucking face in, but this will have to do.
Anonymous:
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I warned you several times not to open the can clearly marked "Do Not Open," but in your smug arrogance you opened up that can on yourself. Now you will take responsibility and deal with the fallout.
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What exactly does this mean? How is that some people "knew" thewho's identity?
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