Author Topic: AARC Scampede Cultjam (Read 9550 times)

Anonymous · « **Reply #15 on:** July 08, 2009, 12:38:23 AM »

Quote from: "Guest44431444"

Ajax13 - Again, GFY!

Sent to me via PM today by the wonder-kid himself - ajax13...

That's a very AARColyte method of lashing out that you used, little boy. Are you cognicent of it, or does it just come naturally to AARColytes? It's a standard operating procedure in totalist environments, where private communication is exposed to a group in order to undermine the individual's sense of security and to shame the individual before the group. The Chinese used it in their re-education camps, and here you are all these years later using it to defend your cult.
See you in the funny papers little boy. If you want, though, do feel free to leave your e-mail address. You're welcome to tell me to go fuck myself to my face any time you desire.

If you only knew who I really was - but please, have your little fun on this board entertaining random thoughts of just how great you think you are.

You can't even spell.

Guest44431444

Funny thing is, what Ajax says makes a lot of sense.

The other thing that comes through, loud and clear I'm afraid, is what kind of person post someone's private message to them right on a message board? THAT says a lot to me about the kind of mindset that AARC probably supports and perpetrates.

Guest44431444 · « **Reply #16 on:** July 08, 2009, 02:34:16 PM »

Yet another message from boy-wonder himself...

That tactic doesn't work, AARColyte. You've still got infantile egotism that makes you think you're smarter than other people, when in fact they know exactly what you're doing. You started posting pretending to empathize with the folks on here, but you were too stupid to walk the line between overtly expressing agreement while trying to backhandedly play down the fraudulent nature of AARC and and your relationship to it. When you fucked up, you lashed out at the people willing to stand up to AARC and called them relapsed addicts. Not only are you deceitful, you're stupid and cowardly. While you may have been a victim of AARC when you were young, now you're just a creep trying to antagonize people because your belief system is under threat. That and you derive the same pleasure other deviants do from manipulating and harming other folks. My offer still stands. And by all means, post this private message in the public forum. I've seen you do that before little boy.

I guess one day you'll grow up - until then, keep posting your BS.

At least this time, you spell checked your spew.

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ajax13 · « **Reply #17 on:** July 08, 2009, 03:19:08 PM »

One of the biggest handicaps that plague AARColytes is their inability to empathize. Here's Guest44431444 lashing out after his bizarre attempt to spin AARC backfires:
"i guess why I have a differing opinion than most of you is that I chose to stay clean after I left AARC although my father stayed a corporate contributor and had his life royally screwed up and used to "cult-speak" me as well."
viewtopic.php?f=7&t=27646&p=333314#p333314
But now he just wants to share with the group:
"Wow, can I relate to the OP - I too am going through deprogramming after sixteen years...
I was not in Straight or Pathways but AARC in Calgary, what a way to completely mess up me, my family and all of my relationships I once had.
To this day, I still have no relationship with my father, my brother and I are coming around and a lot of my friends I had are starting to re-surface.
I too find it weird to interact with normal people after so many years of forcing myself to believe as that was the only way I'd be accepted by my family, turns out as I found out yesterday, they were against me for being a part of the program as AARC forced them to believe stuff they couldn't.
I hope one day to regain some sort or normality back in my life but I struggle everyday with serious depression and fear of what might happen - the old cult mantra keeps playing the fucking tape in my head day in and day out...
I am lucky that I have a supportive wife and kids to help keep me going as I am sure if it were just me forging through this mess, I just could not do it.
Guest44431444"
viewtopic.php?f=7&t=26994&p=336044#p336044
Although he has already attacked the opponents of AARC by implying that they're simply relapsed addicts, and he's taken time from his busy schedule to call the AARC protest a waste of a day, here he is again unable to comprehend that others can see what he's doing.

Guest44431444 · « **Reply #18 on:** July 08, 2009, 03:57:20 PM »

Ajax13 (your age no doubt)...

What you are missing here is that I never, ever suggested people here who are not part of AARC, or any other 12 step program, as relapsed addicts - I don't where the hell you got that...

What I did suggest was that a person who is know for their pro-pot movement protesting against AARC is ridiculous, or anyone still using drugs for that matter - it seems extremely hypocritical, that WAS my point.

It's like a heroin addict trying to sober up another heroin addict while still using - it's hypocritical!

So again, what exactly are you trying to prove ajax13?

Somebody so hell bent on attacking individuals must certainly have some pretty significant insecurities - do you need a teddy and a nap?

Guest44431444

ajax13 · « **Reply #19 on:** July 08, 2009, 04:15:20 PM »

"i guess why I have a differing opinion than most of you is that I chose to stay clean after I left AARC"
Was there some ambiguity there that we missed regarding your intentions with this statement? Now you took the time to call everyone 16-year-olds, implied that they were against AARC because they didn't stay clean after leaving AARC, then you called the AARC protest an epic fail, even resorting to a bizarre petty description of their placards using the word twigs, called the protest a waste, and then whined about being attacked.
It's time to face facts AARColyte. Despite deviants like you trying to subvert the forum, despite your efforts to intimidate former clients who spoke out, despite the overwhelming exploitation of television and print media by AARC, despite the corruption of politicians used to sell AARC to the public, the truth is out. Whatever your agenda is, it's too late. Enough people were able to gain access to the proven facts related to AARC that the cat was let out of the bag.

Guest44431444 · « **Reply #20 on:** July 08, 2009, 04:29:56 PM »

Ajax13 - your arguments are baseless.

You claim to be stating facts your not even certain about.

You have accused me of both being on staff or former staff - that could never be the farthest thing from the truth.

You have attacked me by twisting my words to say that I called everyone relapsed addicts - farthest from the truth. I simply stated that I stayed clean after I left AARC, where do you get the BS of calling everyone relapsed addicts.

Now I am deviant? Why, I feel like I just got promoted to some new level - perhaps I'm getting under your skin a little now and you'll finally get honest with who you really are.

Perhaps you may even out yourself as to when you went to AARC or did you? Perhaps all your arguments are useless as you have no idea what the hell goes on behind closed doors - maybe that is the truth about ajax13?

Just remember, I was one of the first 25, so if you retrieve the records, you'd be able to figure it out pretty quick. I was there when Brian was a "peer councilor" and Jocelyn Comeau was the coordinator. Even he saw the writing on the wall and bailed but unfortunately, it was to late for Brian (R.I.P).

Let me say for the record - As I was walking out the door of AARC, Dr. Clause told me I'd never get sober no matter where I went, well 16 years later and I'm still not drunk or drugged.

Guest44431444

ajax13 · « **Reply #21 on:** July 08, 2009, 04:37:39 PM »

Get honest? You clearly stated that your opinion of AARC is different from those posting here because you stayed clean. It's not twisting your words. Whatever your agenda is now AARColyte, it just isn't going to fly.

Guest44431444 · « **Reply #22 on:** July 08, 2009, 04:48:04 PM »

I'm sorry ajax13 - when did you say you attended AARC to make you such an expert on it?

Please, share...

Guest44431444

Guest44431444 · « **Reply #23 on:** July 08, 2009, 04:53:07 PM »

How does me staying clean after walking out AARC make me invalidate everyone's opinion here? Please, explain.

Do I see things differently than you, yes, but that doesn't make me a target to attack me both publicly and via PM because I see things different than you.

Remember ajax13, there are ALWAYS two sides to EVERY story - you just like to see and hear your side only while twisting things around the way you see fit .

So again - when did you say you attended AARC, just for the record.

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wdtony · « **Reply #24 on:** July 08, 2009, 04:56:15 PM »

If anyone has links to any news coverage, video or photos concerning this protest, please post. Thanks.

ajax13 · « **Reply #25 on:** July 08, 2009, 05:03:45 PM »

Here are the principle salient facts about AARC: the clients coming in are not assessesed by qualified medical personnel, yet they are diagnosed with a medical condition. This diagnosis is made by amateur staff. Thus many people are admitted to AARC who do not suffer from the medical condition with which they are diagnosed by AARC staff. Once admitted to AARC, the treatment regimen used in AARC is not based in any accepted legitimate medical practise. It is in fact, the identical group coercion system used in Synanon and the subsequently derived entities the Seed, Straight Inc., and Kids. The man who claims to have created this treatment system, Dean Vause, is not a mental health professional. He is a former phys ed teacher and school guidance counselor. He is also a former employee of Kids. The clinical staff is also made up of non-professionals. Colin Brown and Natalie Imbach are both former clients who have been in AARC for most of their adult lives, as has staffer Bryan Campbell.
The day to day treatment is conducted by peer counselors, who like Vause and the clinical staff are also amateurs. For many years, the clients in AARC were allowed to see only Dr. Allan Stanhope, who was and is again a board member of AARC. Many AARC clients were sent to AARC by Dr. Stanhope's wife, Judge Cooke-Stanhope. Additional conflicts of interest regarding AARC staff and representatives of agencies responsible for the welfare of their charges include Pete Sorkoff and his wife. AARC clients are deprived of a number of basic rights, and are held against their will illegally while in the initial stage of indoctrination in AARC. These Level 1 clients are forced to stay in unmonitored unregulated host homes until they progress to the next level of the sect. The program is set up with a Newcomer/Oldcomer system taken from Kids. This system gives Oldcomers power over Newcomers, who must obey the Oldcomers.
There is no medical evidence that the system used at AARC produces long-term abstinence in chemically dependent subjects.

A stay in AARC is not required to learn any of these facts, AARColyte.

TheWho · « **Reply #26 on:** July 08, 2009, 05:12:59 PM »

All well and good. But 85% of the people who get thru to graduation are still clean and sober after 4 years. No one has ever been held.. they all leave after graduation. If you want doctors and prescriptions drugs then go to a hospital and sit in AA meeting twice a week and sip coffee. If you want to live a clean and sober life and get back on track then go to AARC.
Everyone has a choice. Neither path makes you a bad person.

Guest44431444 · « **Reply #27 on:** July 08, 2009, 05:15:48 PM »

I am absolutely in disbelief that you had the nerve to try and discredit me and my experience at AARC when you have not even been through the front door.

If you've never been put into AARC, Straight or Kids - why are you even here? To debate people's experiences and to accuse anyone who speaks up as a current / former staff member or cult member?

I am sorry - I had no idea I was being lead to believe that you were once a client and had loads of experience to fall back onto with your points, my bad for being naive.

If you've never been or don't have a problem - why are you hanging out in a recovery center forum?

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ajax13 · « **Reply #28 on:** July 08, 2009, 05:26:47 PM »

A stay in AARCis not a prerequisite to point out your hamfisted attempt to defend your cult. AARColyte, one does not follow directly from the other. You weren't being led to believe anything. But you are still welcome to explain which of the aforementioned facts about AARC can only be learned by staying in AARC. Again, you betray your allegiance to the cult by implying the "sacred knowledge" that is only imparted to members.

Guest44431444 · « **Reply #29 on:** July 08, 2009, 05:28:30 PM »

Ajax13 - your a pathetic excuse for an argument.

I am only sorry to have actually wasted my time debating facts with someone who doesn't know.

Enjoy the day!

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