Treatment Abuse, Behavior Modification, Thought Reform > World Wide Association of Specialty Programs and Schools (WWASPS)
Can someone please call the FBI, CPS, whomever?
Anonymous:
"My son seems to be so unbelievably comfortable down there that I requested to make him more uncomfortable. He is now carrying around a 10 pound box of books which is to symbolize all the crab he is carrying around. But he still doesn't get it. We decided not to go to the Family weekend because we don't see any results. Let's hope that works. But Keith, thanks a million for sharing your frustration. Sometimes I have the feeling we are the only ones being discouraged. It's good to see we are not alone."
This is proof of hideous child abuse. Actually, I am pretty sure it would be considered torture.
Can someone here contact the appropriate authorities?
Anonymous:
viewtopic.php?f=44&t=27681
I got that info here ^^^^
psy:
As described in that post, it doesn't seem like child abuse, torture, or in any way a criminal matter. Sure it's probably pointless, but that's not necessarily torture. 10 pounds is not that much. Not everything that happens in a program is child abuse and not everything is torture (at least by itself).
The real insidious stuff that goes on in programs generally can't be put in words... not because it's too horrible... just because such psychological concepts and feelings are so hard to put into words... the stripping away of a person's beliefs, core values, even their very identity. There is nothing more damaging or more long lasting than the mental effects. Physical hurts heal quickly... mental reprogramming, not so much... and if you were a survivor, i'd suspect you'd know that, which is why...
I suspect your just a troll... probably one of the who's other personalities or some other agent provocateur. If not. Here's a tip: the very very best way to blow your "case" is to make mountains out of moehills. Do you seriously think that the goddamn FBI is going to give even the tinyest rat crap about a "troubled" kid being forced to carry a 10 pound book bag? especially when law enforcement generally carry round much larger packs on long runs during training? I don't.
What I care about is the cumulative effect of all the tiny things stacked up together into a program of thought reform (and physical/punative coercion generally does not factor into this unless it is to slowly weaken a person's resistance). Individual acts and exercise on their own which are relatively harmless are built into a program to change the way people think, and who they see themselves as, without their knowledge or consent.
You want something to go after them for? Try the angle of practicing medicine or psychotherapy without a license. Use their marketing against them. Record phone conversations with marketing looking for offers of "therapy" and specific claims about staff qualifications and the licensure of the facility itself. Check everything with the state and appropriate licensing authorities. Always ask for license numbers of credentialed staff and look them up. Programs have and do lie about lots and lots of things and qualifications are no exception. Become your own detective and only when you have a concrete case do you deliver it to the appropriate authorities. You go with a 10 pound bookbag and if they don't outright laugh you out, they'll tell you that they'll "be in contact" and you'll never hear from them again. It requires persistence, intelligence and a fighting spirit, not printing out a fucking forum message and handing it to the cops.
Oscar:
We got permission to post Caroline Elise's story. While I agree that Sunset Bay Academy/Oceanside Teen center is bad for the teenagers who are detained at this facility High Impact was awful. Read and judge.
That doesn't mean that we should do something for the poor soles in Rosarito. Spft investigators have written boy-/girl-friends based on the Myspace profiles of present detainees to tell them where they can find their peers and some are in the neighborhood but it is a dangerous town, so we cannot be more informative.
Anonymous:
--- Quote from: "psy" ---As described in that post, it doesn't seem like child abuse, torture, or in any way a criminal matter. Sure it's probably pointless, but that's not necessarily torture. 10 pounds is not that much. Not everything that happens in a program is child abuse and not everything is torture (at least by itself).
The real insidious stuff that goes on in programs generally can't be put in words... not because it's too horrible... just because such psychological concepts and feelings are so hard to put into words... the stripping away of a person's beliefs, core values, even their very identity. There is nothing more damaging or more long lasting than the mental effects. Physical hurts heal quickly... mental reprogramming, not so much... and if you were a survivor, i'd suspect you'd know that, which is why...
I suspect your just a troll... probably one of the who's other personalities or some other agent provocateur. If not. Here's a tip: the very very best way to blow your "case" is to make mountains out of moehills. Do you seriously think that the goddamn FBI is going to give even the tinyest rat crap about a "troubled" kid being forced to carry a 10 pound book bag? especially when law enforcement generally carry round much larger packs on long runs during training? I don't.
What I care about is the cumulative effect of all the tiny things stacked up together into a program of thought reform (and physical/punative coercion generally does not factor into this unless it is to slowly weaken a person's resistance). Individual acts and exercise on their own which are relatively harmless are built into a program to change the way people think, and who they see themselves as, without their knowledge or consent.
You want something to go after them for? Try the angle of practicing medicine or psychotherapy without a license. Use their marketing against them. Record phone conversations with marketing looking for offers of "therapy" and specific claims about staff qualifications and the licensure of the facility itself. Check everything with the state and appropriate licensing authorities. Always ask for license numbers of credentialed staff and look them up. Programs have and do lie about lots and lots of things and qualifications are no exception. Become your own detective and only when you have a concrete case do you deliver it to the appropriate authorities. You go with a 10 pound bookbag and if they don't outright laugh you out, they'll tell you that they'll "be in contact" and you'll never hear from them again. It requires persistence, intelligence and a fighting spirit, not printing out a fucking forum message and handing it to the cops.
--- End quote ---
i didn't bother to read your entire response. Stopped at "i expect youre a troll."
I can assure you forcing ANYONE to carry ten pounds of anything morning till night, for days, weeks, months, years, to force them to embrace a belief and with the stated intention of causing suffering is a criminal manner.
Could you do that to a POW? No. As a point of reference, anything that would be illegal to do to a POW, or a convicted criminal, is likely to contstitute "abuse." Cops CHOOSE to carry around bags, its not a "breaking" technique forced on them under threat of further imprisonment and greater torture because they are "so bad they need to suffer." Ridiculous comparison
Something near identical was done to Kat whithead's friend, and was one of the horrors presented to the GAO. (forced to carry rocks until she appeared to beleive she was a "sex addict")Its evil.
Any lawyers out there, or shrinks, or anyone with time or the initiative (CAFETY?!!!!!!!!!!!!!!) interested in fowarding this to the appropriate authorities?
thanks
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